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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
    Posts : 165
    Windows 8.1.1 64-bit
       03 Aug 2015 #31

    groze said: View Post
    @waltc

    Sorry those instructions won't work. That why I gave @Wenda diskpart instruction. I installed windows 10 previews and upgrade windows 10 previews several time so I came across the issue, it is even worse if your system already has a system reserve partition. Windows 10 always creates (My experience) a new system reserve partition unless you have 4 primary partition or 3 primary partitions and logical partition(S).

    Some partition boot tools can't delete the OEM or System partitions. That is another reason to use diskpart.
    And thank you for that, Groze.

    Yes it turned out that the first restore attempt screwed my partitions by installing itself on the wrong one.

    With your fix, I was able to restore my 8.1 image (which remained activated - whew!) then I applied any outstanding updates, took an up-to-date image, and installed a fresh copy of 10240 over it.

    This got rid of a lot of issues I'd been having with my 'beta-riddled' previous setup. Boots faster, runs better, and takes up a heap less disk real-estate. I've now updated and imaged that setup as well, and so all is now copacetic again.

    Thanks again.


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  2. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 132
    Win7 Pro 64-bit\Windows 10 Pro 64-bit dual boot
       03 Aug 2015 #32

    Considering Microsoft's stated position on the "one month downgrade issue"...
    I have a valid concern As does Tomshardware.
    In my situation, prior to Win10 rollout, I had Win7 on one hard drive and a cloned copy (disk image) on another hard drive.
    It was the cloned copy I upgraded to Win10, keeping my working copy of Win7 intact.
    Now, here is the question...
    Due to the fact that Microsoft has given 30 days to decide whether or not I want to keep Win10, what happens if I take longer than 30 days to evaluate Win10 on the separate drive?
    Will my active copy of Win7 on the first drive become invalid or de-activated? If that is the case, I'm downgrading immediately!
    I'd be interested in finding out everyone else's take on this.
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  3. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       03 Aug 2015 #33

    dlwmacgregor said: View Post
    Considering Microsoft's stated position on the "one month downgrade issue"...
    I have a valid concern As does Tomshardware.
    In my situation, prior to Win10 rollout, I had Win7 on one hard drive and a cloned copy (disk image) on another hard drive.
    It was the cloned copy I upgraded to Win10, keeping my working copy of Win7 intact.
    Now, here is the question...
    Due to the fact that Microsoft has given 30 days to decide whether or not I want to keep Win10, what happens if I take longer than 30 days to evaluate Win10 on the separate drive?
    Will my active copy of Win7 on the first drive become invalid or de-activated? If that is the case, I'm downgrading immediately!
    I'd be interested in finding out everyone else's take on this.
    First of all, it's not legal to keep your original copy like that and continue to use it. You have a license for a *single* installation of either Windows 7 or Windows 10. You can have one or the other, but not both at the same time installed on the computer. This means, if you want to go back you have to delete Windows 10 and reinstall 7 (or restore it from a backup), and vice versa.

    So that is why Microsoft won't tell you how to violate their license.

    Second, the only thing that happens after 30 days is that you can no longer roll back to your original version, as a scheduled task deletes your rollback. You are free to delete Windows 10 after 30 days and re-install 7, you just can't roll back to it.
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  4. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 132
    Win7 Pro 64-bit\Windows 10 Pro 64-bit dual boot
       03 Aug 2015 #34

    Thank you Mystere. I understand what you are saying and I agree.
    Perhaps I should have clarified. Win7 is not my main OS...XP is. I use win7 currently only for gaming and not very often.
    So basically, my "active" Win7 on the first hard drive is my image backup. The reason why I am "evaluating" Win10 is to decide which one (7 or 10) will become my main OS and I want to take my time to do that and I am entitled to take as much time as I want to do that.
    That being said, if Microsoft wants to "force me" to speed up my choice of replacement OS because of some arbitrary 30-day limit, then I will simply delete Win10 and purchase it some other time. My Win7 license is a valid OEM license purchased last year for gaming purchases (BF4).
    I just don't want Microsoft to invalidate my Win7 license.
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  5. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       03 Aug 2015 #35

    dlwmacgregor said: View Post
    I just don't want Microsoft to invalidate my Win7 license.
    They don't. They have never said they will. This is entirely about "rollback". Not reinstallation.
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  6. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 132
    Win7 Pro 64-bit\Windows 10 Pro 64-bit dual boot
       03 Aug 2015 #36

    Mystere said: View Post
    They don't. They have never said they will. This is entirely about "rollback". Not reinstallation.
    That's the clarification I was looking for. Thank you.
    I like Win7. It is a very stable gaming platform. Win10 may turn out to be just as stable and have advantages like DX12 going forward. This is something I will have to determine over the next 25 days or so.
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  7. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 9,159
    W10Prox64
       03 Aug 2015 #37

    Mystere said: View Post
    You are free to delete Windows 10 after 30 days and re-install 7, you just can't roll back to it.
    Are you sure there will be no issues with the W7 validating? Can you post a MS link to verify this? People ask me this all the time and I'm not sure what to tell them.
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  8. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       03 Aug 2015 #38

    simrick said: View Post
    Are you sure there will be no issues with the W7 validating? Can you post a MS link to verify this? People ask me this all the time and I'm not sure what to tell them.
    I can be sure aliens won't attack tomorrow either, but are you going to ask for evidence of that as well? MS Has never invalidated keys for any reason other than detecting they have been posted on the internet (ie they suddenly get thousands of activations on the same key).
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  9. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 9,159
    W10Prox64
       03 Aug 2015 #39

    Mystere said: View Post
    I can be sure aliens won't attack tomorrow either, but are you going to ask for evidence of that as well? MS Has never invalidated keys for any reason other than detecting they have been posted on the internet (ie they suddenly get thousands of activations on the same key).
    Look, I only ask because I can't find a definitive answer from MS anywhere. I copied the EULA/MSLT of a system I upgraded from 8.1 to 10, and I find paragraph #7 seems to say you can use a downgrade OS for as long as MS support it. But, I was never notified during the upgrade that I had 30 days to "rollback". I only found that out by reading the forums here. Thirty days have not passed yet, and, since this W10 is a whole new ballgame, I was looking for something official, to tell the people who ask me.

    7. Downgrade Rights. If you acquired a device from a manufacturer or installer with a Professional version of Windows preinstalled on it, you may use either a Windows 8.1 Pro or Windows 7 Professional version, but only for so long as Microsoft provides support for that earlier version as set forth in (aka.ms/windowslifecycle). This agreement applies to your use of the earlier versions. If the earlier version includes different components, any terms for those components in the agreement that comes with the earlier version apply to your use of such components. Neither the manufacturer or installer, nor Microsoft, is obligated to supply earlier versions to you. You must obtain the earlier version separately, for which you may be charged a fee. At any time, you may replace an earlier version with the version you originally acquired.


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  10. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6
    Windows 10 Professional x64
       03 Aug 2015 #40

    Ztruker said: View Post
    That's why an image backup before doing an upgrade like this is absolutely necessary.
    And that is exactly what I did! I made a Ghost, so I can boot from my recovery disk and go back to Win 7 anytime I want.
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