Samsung introduces the Samsung 970 PRO and EVO NVMe M.2 SSDs

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  1.    08 May 2018 #30

    ern88 said: View Post
    What about a 850 pro to a 970 evo?
    That's whole new ballgame, SATA to NVME/M.2, much larger speed difference.
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  2.    08 May 2018 #31

    CountMike said: View Post
    That's whole new ballgame, SATA to NVME/M.2, much larger speed difference.
    From 560 to potentially 3500!
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       08 May 2018 #32

    Hi there

    Thanks for an interesting article.

    Like all these things when the technology first appears people often say -- we'll I'm never going to need it.

    How many people now regularly use HDD's (spinners) that are several TB's in size - often for storing prodigious amounts of music / video etc whereas a few years ago they probably were saying even 500 GB was more than enough.

    Smaller (phsically), faster, higher capacity lower power and more reliable devices is always good -- especially with modern automation the cost of producing these things becomes cheaper and cheaper.

    Also to those who think "Green" or "Environmentally" -- smaller physical sizes for these devices means less "Rare earth" minerals need to be mined (although in these cases the term rare is rather inaccurate as they aren't horribly rare). What is probably more important that less of the other toxic heavy metals used in production will be required.

    For my own view - the faster Disk I/O I can get on a computer the happier I am (within reasonable cost : performance ratio of course).

    I still go along with the fact that off line storage / removable storage is also important so hopefully in the goal for cheaper hardware manufacturers won't abandon the idea of removable storage which is of course safe for backups / archives , disaster recovery etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4.    08 May 2018 #33

    Off line storage / removable storage as in for backups can be even more important than active drives for OS and stuff. All that is replaceable but data may not be.
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  5.    08 May 2018 #34

    CountMike said: View Post
    That's whole new ballgame, SATA to NVME/M.2, much larger speed difference.
    Yes, there is for sequential read that helps the OS load faster. On the other hand, the 4KiB performance isn't that much more for the NVMe M.2, than the SATA III SSD. In every day usage the Samsung NVMe M.2 system isn't much faster than the Samsung EVO SSD. While the difference is certainly noticeable, it's not even close to the level of moving from rusty HDD to SATA III SSD.

    On the other hand, the cost difference between the SATA III SSD and the NVMe M.2 is pretty much negligible and I see no reason to build a new system with SSD. Doing so will help in building a green, or environmental friendly PC. My new NVMe M.2 based system uses ~45 Watts at idling, while the former SSD based system did ~80 Watts at idle. Granted, that's mainly due to the 8th generation Intel CPU, low end video card with 40" 4K TV for monitor, no HDD, two NVMe cards and one SSD.
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       08 May 2018 #35

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    Thanks for an interesting article.

    Like all these things when the technology first appears people often say -- we'll I'm never going to need it.

    How many people now regularly use HDD's (spinners) that are several TB's in size - often for storing prodigious amounts of music / video etc whereas a few years ago they probably were saying even 500 GB was more than enough.

    Smaller (phsically), faster, higher capacity lower power and more reliable devices is always good -- especially with modern automation the cost of producing these things becomes cheaper and cheaper.

    Also to those who think "Green" or "Environmentally" -- smaller physical sizes for these devices means less "Rare earth" minerals need to be mined (although in these cases the term rare is rather inaccurate as they aren't horribly rare). What is probably more important that less of the other toxic heavy metals used in production will be required.

    For my own view - the faster Disk I/O I can get on a computer the happier I am (within reasonable cost : performance ratio of course).

    I still go along with the fact that off line storage / removable storage is also important so hopefully in the goal for cheaper hardware manufacturers won't abandon the idea of removable storage which is of course safe for backups / archives , disaster recovery etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I actually updated my HDD from a 1 TB WD Black to a 4 TB WD Black. I thought the same that 1 TB was enough. But now a days. Games can be 80 gigs plus. It's crazy. And I like keeping my games installed. So, if I want to play them. I can. Hopefully 4 TB will be enough for a long time lol.
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  7.    08 May 2018 #36

    swarfega said: View Post
    Marginal, I wouldn't bother going from a 960 to 970 unless you have disposable income.
    I have an 850pro ssd as my OS drive. Is it worth spending that money and upgrading to the 970 pro M2 drive? Will I see a big difference in normal operations or gaming?
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  8.    08 May 2018 #37

    stealth2920 said: View Post
    I have an 850pro ssd as my OS drive. Is it worth spending that money and upgrading to the 970 pro M2 drive? Will I see a big difference in normal operations or gaming?
    Define big...

    If you're looking for performance increase in the range of from HDD to SSD, the answer is no. The system would be faster with the 970 M.2 than the current 850pro SSD, but you might be disappointed with the level of actual performance increase...
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  9.    08 May 2018 #38

    Cr00zng said: View Post
    Define big...

    If you're looking for performance increase in the range of from HDD to SSD, the answer is no. The system would be faster with the 970 M.2 than the current 850pro SSD, but you might be disappointed with the level of actual performance increase...
    If I am going to the expense and trouble buying and installing the 970 pro, I want to visually see a difference or not worth the money or effort.
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       08 May 2018 #39

    stealth2920 said: View Post
    If I am going to the expense and trouble buying and installing the 970 pro, I want to visually see a difference or not worth the money or effort.
    You want an honest answer, here you go:
    Going from a SATA to a M.2 will not make much of a difference transferring files from the M.2 to a SATA SSD.

    To notice a difference, you need to use two NVMe drives and transfer large files.


    Also M.2 NVMe run warmer when under load, and need a good breeze(air flow) to keep them cooled down(those heatsinks are just Bling, and no real heat transfer function).
    The SSDs controller is what needs to remain cool, the NAND flash doesn't mind heat.


    The real advantage of M.2 NVMe's are when all your SATA ports are in use, you have room for one more drive(as long as the M.2 is not sharing a SATA port thru the chipset other wise with Intel CPUs you can use one M.2 and all your SATA ports. This is where AMD RYZEN kicks real but, they have a lot more PCIe lanes to offer).

    You need to know how many PCIe lanes your CPU has, and how many your are currently using.
    And as I said above, you might need to sacrifice a SATA port too.
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