Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast/Slow/RP Build 17134.5 - April 27 Insider

I have just found an interesting change in power options on my tablet. Many tablets treated switching off display as sleep mode ie when screen blanked,tablet went to sleep (Surface PRO 2s did this).

If you set one ie switch off screen, the sleep time would similarly be set.

This was a real PITA when downloading large files, or making backups, as you could not do it with screen switched off - really annoying in a bedroom at night.

However with SCU, the switch display off now does exactly that but tablet carries on working until it reaches sleep time limit.

It is interesting as all the info from web I could find always stated it was a hardware limitation that was reason why switch display off was treated as sleep on many tablets. My tablet certainly treated display off as sleep but now it works just like my laptop.

larc919 said:

I think Microsoft stopped using RTM. That was for them to decide. When – or if – we stop using it is for us to decide.

Yeah - it is just a convenient term for us. We all know what a person says if they ask to use a hoover. It is rather irrelevant if RTM is not officially used.

cereberus said:

It is interesting as all the info from web I could find always stated it was a hardware limitation that was reason why switch display off was treated as sleep on many tablets. My tablet certainly treated display off as sleep but now it works just like my laptop.

This is a very interesting annoyance. Why would a tablet want to go to sleep straight away, when screen goes dark? It would become useless for me for the very same reasons you stated. Closing the screen, while the device is crunching some numbers saves so much power, but the device still does something.

Glad to hear Windows has solved such issue for you and separated screen sleep and complete device sleep. Exactly as it should be. :)

slicendice said:

This is a very interesting annoyance. Why would a tablet want to go to sleep straight away, when screen goes dark? It would become useless for me for the very same reasons you stated. Closing the screen, while the device is crunching some numbers saves so much power, but the device still does something.

Glad to hear Windows has solved such issue for you and separated screen sleep and complete device sleep. Exactly as it should be. :)

Yep - this has been a longtime issue. There was tonnes of feedback about this especially about Surface PROs. I am wondering how MS actually managed this as it has often been stated this was a hardware limitation but obviously not. It is great when you find a gem not publicly announced.

cereberus said:

Yep - this has been a longtime issue. There was tonnes of feedback about this especially about Surface PROs. I am wondering how MS actually managed this as it has often been stated this was a hardware limitation but obviously not. It is great when you find a gem not publicly announced.

Yep!

Makes no sense to me that a display would be hard wired to all other components. This would mean that suspending a single component would suspend everything, causing the whole device to go to sleep. The device would be completely useless or consume a lot of power when used, in this case.


It is easy to blame someone else for his/her own incompetence.

I just clean installed 17134 on my tablet and to my horror Files On Demand (FOD) had disappeared. I remembered in the past, you had to remove onedrive (using tool like revo uninstaller), go to online outlook and reinstall. So I did that and no joy. I then remembered that before FOD was introduced, you had to be on Insider program to see it. Made sure I was on Insider - bam FOD was back.

I can understand that behaviour before FOD was introduced in CU upgrade, but it makes no sense now FOD is now a feature of official builds!

LOL! Typical MS development style.

Add one new feature --> go one step back on all other features.

That is how annoying latest and greatest Office has been for years. When one version finally works as it should, they come out with a new version and none of the fixes exist anymore. And so the patching cycle starts all over.

slicendice said:

LOL! Typical MS development style.

Add one new feature --> go one step back on all other features.

That is how annoying latest and greatest Office has been for years. When one version finally works as it should, they come out with a new version and none of the fixes exist anymore. And so the patching cycle starts all over.

I then did a test and left the Insider Programme. Previously, that removed FOD until it was officially released, and then you had to uodate it.

However, this time fortunately it did retain FOD. I am glad because I really do not want my tablet on Insider Programme.

I stated clean install but I meant upgrade. I never clean install as reinstating special touch/rotation drivers is a PITA.

It was devils own job upgrading as it kept crashing, and rolling back. In the end, I image backed up tablet, restored image to a vm, upgraded, then created image of c drive in vm and overwrote C drive on tablet. I also had to mess with Macrium fix Windows boot problems as tablet is 32bit uefi but hyperv does not support that, so I had to restore image to a legacy bios vm.

Actually thinking about it I have just sussed a safe way to convert a uefi installation to legacy bios (I am sure others here know this already). Going legacy to uefi is easy using mbr2gpt.

What I have discovered is the boot files on Windows 10 are now multipurpose. Before there used to be efi boot files and legacy boot files and you had to make sure they were both available.

Now it seems cleverer, so I believe you can more easily now convert uefi to legacy bios eg (not tried this yet but will shortly)

1) make image backup of uefi install

2) boot from Macrium Reflect drive

3) use Macrium command prompt to wipe hard drive and convert to mbr.

4) Select fix windows boot problems

5) reboot pc.

Of course, you would only want to do this to say install a copy on a pc that only supported legacy bios so is more of an intellectual exercise really.

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