Windows 10: whats-coming-in-windows-10s-redstone-4-update-available-march-2018

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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.1 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       3 Weeks Ago #10

    lol

    Take away all that Cortana, Store App and an icon changed color from blue to green nonsense and give me what changed under the hood. (intended for MS and all those who write these articles and not for any of the participants in this thread)

    I don't give a crap about all the extras MS sticks in Windows, I only care about what makes the next release of the core OS better, more secure, faster and more reliable.
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    Win 10 pro Upgraded from 8.1
       3 Weeks Ago #11

    My big concern here is going to be networking. they are dropping Homegroup, trying to replace with one drive. I don't use one drive and do use P2P network for my small network. Does anyone know what we are going to have to tweak to keep our P2P networks working? I would like to be prepared for this. FCU forced several changes to get our P2P connected again??????
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 FCU - XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
       3 Weeks Ago #12

    Homegroup was a failed attempt to replace the standard network which has not been deprecated as it's an industry standard and is used everywhere Including Microsoft server Client systems.

    Homegroup was a simpler system to set-up and designed for those with little of zero networking experience, take up was low due to complexity and numerous unforeseen issues and so it is no more

    The workgroup based system is still available as Onedrive is useless in a lot of markets where net access is not up to required standard and will be for many years

    I cannot see me paying for terabytes of Onedrive storage which I can only access at slow speeds compared to local transfer on Gigabit networks

    The same applies to using the OneDrive system to upload and then download a file via the internet just to transfer a few metres
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    Win 10 pro Upgraded from 8.1
       3 Weeks Ago #13

    Barman58 said: View Post
    Homegroup was a failed attempt to replace the standard network which has not been deprecated as it's an industry standard and is used everywhere Including Microsoft server Client systems.

    Homegroup was a simpler system to set-up and designed for those with little of zero networking experience, take up was low due to complexity and numerous unforeseen issues and so it is no more

    The workgroup based system is still available as Onedrive is useless in a lot of markets where net access is not up to required standard and will be for many years
    I agree completely that homegroup and one drive are useless at least for me and my applications Each of my computers has its own purpose and setups and syncing them to my cell phone would be a pure nightmare. LOL

    My post was I'm hoping to find what hoops we are going to have to jump through with SCU to keep our WorkGroup P2P networks up and running so I can prepare, before upgrading this time.

    Thanks for the reply Barman58, This is good news, my reference was the FCU turned off SMB1 which we have to find and turn on things like this is what I was asking about. It took me a few days to find the info about turning back on SMB 1.0 and Homegroup services also had to be turned on and set to autoload for P2P networking to work. hoping not to have to go through the same long process to keep my network up and running?
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 FCU - XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
       3 Weeks Ago #14

    SMB1 is an unfortunate side effect of those who want to steal from normal users. SMB1 is a depreciated and very insecure protocol and would have been removed from use even if it was not done in the FCU Upgrade, The unfortunate side hit me too as my smart TV uses it for some content provision, now I have to decide if the content is worth the risk of some malware getting on the local network via the TV - I still run SMB1 on the TV when I need it but have professional AntiMalware to mitigate the risk
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    Win 10 pro Upgraded from 8.1
       3 Weeks Ago #15

    Barman58 said: View Post
    SMB1 is an unfortunate side effect of those who want to steal from normal users. SMB1 is a depreciated and very insecure protocol and would have been removed from use even if it was not done in the FCU Upgrade, The unfortunate side hit me too as my smart TV uses it for some content provision, now I have to decide if the content is worth the risk of some malware getting on the local network via the TV - I still run SMB1 on the TV when I need it but have professional AntiMalware to mitigate the risk
    The risk is over my head technology-wise, but if they remove it completely what will we replace it with to maintain our networks without a dedicated server. I too to continue to use SMB 1.0 as that is the only path I found to maintain my WorkGroup network.

    I run Norton and Malwarebytes both paid full versions and an up to date Router Asus RT-AC68U up to date firmware. With D-link 615 wireless entry points these are old but are only used for entry anything coming in still has to go through my router for access.
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 FCU - XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
       3 Weeks Ago #16

    SMB2 and SMB3 are both in use and active they were introduced with Vista and Windows 10 respectively - so unless you are using XP or earlier you should be using SMB2 and for a Windows 10 based network SMB3

    The issues that do arise concern other devices that we find connecting to or home networks these days which still utilise the older SMB1 protocol, the Wanacry malware attacks that caused issues last year for some Government organisations who were not fully patched, (or were still using XP! ), utilised the flaws in SMB1 to get into systems and although the use of a good Anti-Malware will (or should) prevent this, and all the top ones have now hardened the defence now, the best technique is to not use it at all if you can.

    One of the common issues was due to some NAS setups using SMB1 in their controllers to allow compatibility with as many operating systems as possible

    Further Reading
    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/disable-smb1-windows
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...r-version-1709
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    Win 10 pro Upgraded from 8.1
       3 Weeks Ago #17

    Barman58 said: View Post
    SMB2 and SMB3 are both in use and active they were introduced with Vista and Windows 10 respectively - so unless you are using XP or earlier you should be using SMB2 and for a Windows 10 based network SMB3



    The issues that do arise concern other devices that we find connecting to or home networks these days which still utilise the older SMB1 protocol, the Wanacry malware attacks that caused issues last year for some Government organisations who were not fully patched, (or were still using XP! ), utilised the flaws in SMB1 to get into systems and although the use of a good Anti-Malware will (or should) prevent this, and all the top ones have now hardened the defence now, the best technique is to not use it at all if you can.

    One of the common issues was due to some NAS setups using SMB1 in their controllers to allow compatibility with as many operating systems as possible

    Further Reading
    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/disable-smb1-windows
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...r-version-1709
    Hmm, my 4 computers 2 workstations 1 all in one Win 8.1 and 1 notebook. After Smb 1.0 was turnoff I only had a connection to the 8.1 desktops from it could not see any of the other computer and the other computers couldn't see each other. Turning on SMB 1.0 solved the issue. None of these are really older equipment. So it sounds then like those of us using Workgroups are going to have to find workarounds again after SCU.

    I think this subject might need to have a thread in Networking & sharing so we possible can have a workaround sorted out before we update?
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 FCU - XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
       3 Weeks Ago #18

    I've had no issues at all with my networking since updated to Windows 10 - All systems are on 10 which probably helps, (30+years as a network specialist does no harm either).

    I have used cross system control to remote into Android Phones and Tablets, and my TV's and Media devices can access my PC systems without any problems - things "just work"

    I am on the Release Preview channel so will report any issues when I actually get the SCU/Redstone 4, hopefully in the next week or so
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.1 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       3 Weeks Ago #19

    2 things that work randomly on any Windows PC for me are:
    1. Some computers are visible and others not when looking at local Network in Explorer
    2. DLNA almost never advertise properly on the network



    This is computers with exactly the same settings, exactly same hardware, exactly same Windows version.

    This same issue has been there since NT 3.51.


    Example:
    In a 10 computer workgroup
    • Computer 1 sees all other computers
    • Computer 9 sees all other computers except computer 1
    • Computer 10 sees only computer 1 but none of the other computers
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