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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.228 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       03 Apr 2018 #260

    cereberus said: View Post
    CPI speed and storage speed will barely make any difference compared with download speeds though.

    This completely depends on your DL cap, CPU and Storage speeds. On an older 5400rpm laptop HDD the verification process is REALLY slow.
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.228 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       03 Apr 2018 #261

    slicendice said: View Post
    This completely depends on your DL cap, CPU and Storage speeds. On an older 5400rpm laptop HDD the verification process is REALLY slow.
    Just to prove this, I did a run of same files on same hardware except now on a HDD.

    Time on SSD:
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    Time on HDD:
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  3.    03 Apr 2018 #262

    rogerwilco91 said: View Post
    Tomorrow is the first Tuesday of the month aka "Patch Tuesday" and it would make sense to release a major update on Patch Tuesday....

    Only time will tell and soon too....
    "Patch Tuesday" is traditionally the second Tuesday of the month, ie April 10th ....
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       03 Apr 2018 #263

    RFS said: View Post
    "Patch Tuesday" is traditionally the second Tuesday of the month, ie April 10th ....
    Traditional Patch Tuesday apparently no longer applies....Updates have been and will be released at any time.
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  5.    03 Apr 2018 #264

    slicendice said: View Post
    Just to prove this, I did a run of same files on same hardware except now on a HDD.

    Time on SSD:
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    Time on HDD:
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    I stand corrected but tbh your figures are decidely skewed because you have very fast broadband. For users with a more sedate download speed, the %differential will be a lot less.
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.228 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       03 Apr 2018 #265

    cereberus said: View Post
    I stand corrected but tbh your figures are decidely skewed because you have very fast broadband. For users with a more sedate download speed, the %differential will be a lot less.
    Yes, that is true. The slower the broadband speed the less impact other hardware has on total completion times.

    My internet is slow, I need to upgrade it soon.
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  7.    03 Apr 2018 #266

    dencal said: View Post
    Traditional Patch Tuesday apparently no longer applies....Updates have been and will be released at any time.
    Agreed, Patch Tuesday really only applies to standard updates, and even then MS have bought out cumulative updates more frequently now and then.

    MS stated a long time ago Patch Tuesday no longer exists as a rigid barrier. It is just merely convenient to plan for target dates as part of a business plan - most companies plan short term on a monthly cycle.

    There is a sound reason to use Tuesdays though. Often last minute work is done by techies over weekend, and Monday is needed to get management approval to issue release.
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  8.    03 Apr 2018 #267

    slicendice said: View Post
    Yes, that is true. The slower the broadband speed the less impact other hardware has on total completion times.

    My internet is slow, I need to upgrade it soon.
    Well, I have just tested it and obviously the above is obvious EXCEPT.........

    It was trundling along at a reasonable 8ish MB/s (more or less my top speed) and then just died to 2.8 MB/s making it much slower. Back to good old write buffers on hard drives I guess?

    So you are right i.e.an ssd will be much faster than an HDD, but in the end, still much faster than normal Windows download speeds.

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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.228 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       03 Apr 2018 #268

    cereberus said: View Post
    Well, I have just tested it and obviously the above is obvious EXCEPT.........

    It was trundling along at a reasonable 8ish MB/s (more or less my top speed) and then just died to 2.8 MB/s making it much slower. Back to good old write buffers on hard drives I guess?

    So you are right i.e.an ssd will be much faster than an HDD, but in the end, still much faster than normal Windows download speeds.

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    The download speed is the same in WU, but it's all the other copying and integrity verification stuff that takes ages on WU.

    On every release of a new build, the download part of WU has been way less than 2 minutes for me, but the total time taken to complete the online part of WU, has been about 20-40 minutes...depending on update.

    Oh, almost forgot, the integrity checks on WU are single threaded, while I believe it's multi threaded in UUP-Dump (need to verify this, but at least it verifies multiple files at the same time), or just a different type of integrity check.
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  10.    03 Apr 2018 #269

    slicendice said: View Post
    The download speed is the same in WU, but it's all the other copying and integrity verification stuff that takes ages on WU.

    On every release of a new build, the download part of WU has been way less than 2 minutes for me, but the total time taken to complete the online part of WU, has been about 20-40 minutes...depending on update.

    Oh, almost forgot, the integrity checks on WU are single threaded, while I believe it's multi threaded in UUP-Dump (need to verify this, but at least it verifies multiple files at the same time), or just a different type of integrity check.
    All I know with an SSD, it downloads at a flat 8 MB/s until finished, with an HDD it drops after a shortish period. My hard drive will write at 80 MB/s, so it cannot be a hard drive bottleneck, the CPU is the same of course. It would be great if we could run uupdump without verifying.
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