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Tony K said:

Thanks, John. I'm not expecting perfection at this point for I know it's not complete, but there's a lot missing that's puzzling me is all. I guess I'm chomping on the bits too much.

IMO this is the real cat's meow. And wow, I wish I had this when in the contracting business. 5, 6, 7 apps open (Office apps and others) tabbing back and forth doing research on estimating a project what is known in the industry as a "takeoff" (taking off the plan/blueprint via an Excel spreadsheet). Then, of course, there's proposals, contracts, bookeeping, inventory, contacts/telephony, scheduling, etc. Even watching the weather for scheduling. You have to get trucks loaded and ready in the late afternoon for the work to do "tomorrow".

This will be a real time-saver. I can envision it all to be neatly organized as per project. Get 2, 3, 4 projects going in the field along with planned future ones it got to be quite hairy. Also, we now have multiple desktops to even further the organization in that it keeps it all seperated when one may work on more more than one project. Hats off to the MS team that thought of and developed these features.

My version of time saver is multiple monitors lol. I find tabbing between applications tedious to having them open side by side, in dual monitors. But when you start talking about more than 4 apps, tabbing becomes the de facto standard on how you do things.

I am still not convinced that Sets will be all that great, but I am reserving my judgment until I can truly play with it and see for myself. After all, being able to see 2 (or, with large enough widescreen monitors, 3, or even 4) applications simultaneously without having to tab back and forth, is something I have been doing now for very close to 20 years. Using Sets, as I understand it, means I see only one tab at a time (unless I can disconnect the tab from the application and moved it to another monitor).

cereberus said:

Your jury would be dismissed by the Judge who would have instructed them to vote on it being an oversight. It is just not credible to deliberately design it to be irreversible.

Occams Razor Principle - The simplest answer is usually correct.

- obviously an inability to see wood for trees..

johngalt said:

My version of time saver is multiple monitors lol. I find tabbing between applications tedious to having them open side by side, in dual monitors. But when you start talking about more than 4 apps, tabbing becomes the de facto standard on how you do things.

Same here, John. When I clean installed FCU, for some odd reason, my second monitor wouldn't show up. I kept wanting to look at the other monitor, but there was nothing there. When I'm working on something, and need comparison, dual monitors are the way to go. If I can see four apps at once, that would be nice, but if I have to tab to see each one ... Until I get into it (haven't had time to play yet), I really don't know what I'm talking about.

johngalt said:

I am still not convinced that Sets will be all that great, but I am reserving my judgment until I can truly play with it and see for myself. After all, being able to see 2 (or, with large enough widescreen monitors, 3, or even 4) applications simultaneously without having to tab back and forth, is something I have been doing now for very close to 20 years. Using Sets, as I understand it, means I see only one tab at a time (unless I can disconnect the tab from the application and moved it to another monitor).

The only drawback to the old method is the "customization of size" necessary to see four apps at once. It can work, but I don't need to buy any more monitors to get up to 27" or 32". :)

- any news on the update.. (??)

BugMeister said:

- any news on the update.. (??)

Only the usual. "D" has said nothing, one way or the other. Which means maybe, or no, or yes. Wait till around 1pm ET.....maybe or no or yes.

Wynona said:

Same here, John. When I clean installed FCU, for some odd reason, my second monitor wouldn't show up. I kept wanting to look at the other monitor, but there was nothing there. When I'm working on something, and need comparison, dual monitors are the way to go. If I can see four apps at once, that would be nice, but if I have to tab to see each one ... Until I get into it (haven't had time to play yet), I really don't know what I'm talking about.



The only drawback to the old method is the "customization of size" necessary to see four apps at once. It can work, but I don't need to buy any more monitors to get up to 27" or 32". :)

Win X makes it easy with the shortcuts to move Windows to half the screen, using Winkey + store keys. Having large enough widescreen monitors (only 23”, but @ 1900 * 1280 resolution) I can easily have 4 items spaced evenly across both my monitors.

I *think* the shortcuts were there in win 8, also, cannot remember if they were in win 7....

Tony K said:

I agree. I understand what you're saying and, yes, monitors are much larger now and can have multiple to perform your method. Also keep in mind that one may using a laptop or a tablet and not only a desktop PC. For now it looks like tabs can't be torn off. That is a must for this to be useful on a desktop PC for sure.

Foremost to me it's about organization. When a Set is created with multiple tabs, it stores a memory of all those tabs to open in the future as it showed in the video. In this way we can organize a project or multiple projects. A tab could be torn off to view as one likes, being it side-by-side or on multiple monitors as you say. Here's the trick > If a tab could be torn off to do so, will it continued to be "remembered" after closing out the Sets session? If not, then it's a waste of time.

Also, we should be able to title these Sets as we like and simply open all the tabs when the Set is opened. Perhaps a keyboard or mouse click context menu with an option to get rid of of a tab as well. All sorts of ideas that I'll be posting in the Hub or in Insiders Corner.

Now *that* is helpful, indeed. But in that case I would say that tearing off of tabs, while useful, would ultimately become less useful, because there would not be an easy way to remember all tabs *and* windows (which, in effect, a turn off tab would become a new window of the same app).

Hmmmmmmmmm.

TBH, Sets seems to be an OS level-implementation of basically the same thing I do in FX (and all my browsers, really), as I constantly open links in New tabs from sites to not lose my place on the original site.... And if that is the case, I could easily start using Sets the same way I do now in my browsers...