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  1.    22 Dec 2017 #110

    ironzorg89 said: View Post
    after creating the new user profile (administrator), i think the first thing to do is to log in and let windows set everything in the newly created account. After that, you can start following the tutorial for the transfer of data from the old profile to the new one.

    You are correct and that's what i have explained while answering your first paragraph. You have to log in the new profile and let windows set it up in order to see it in "users".

    Make sure to transfer (copy) the data (folders) one by one. It is well stipulated in the tutorial no to transfer all data at once.
    As I am legally obnoxious, I have a few more questions for you before I proceed.

    "Legally obnoxious"? One of my assistant fire chiefs wrote a wonderful book, mainly about her career as a National Park Service Ranger in Alaska, where she was instrumental in establishing a series of new national parks. She also wrote about how much her husband (a `mere' lieutenant) and she enjoyed their time in the fire department. In those pages she quotes an unnamed firefighter who, in referring to me, stated "I guess that there is nothing illegal about being obnoxious."

    I cherish the quote, which is not totally inaccurate, as I can be obnoxious, usually when dealing with incompetent government officials. One example will suffice: In New Mexico, county governments are the fiduciary agents for county fire districts, meaning that they are responsible for ascertaining that state purchasing laws are followed correctly and that sufficient funds are available in the districts' accounts. I went to the county courthouse to request a purchase order for a two-way radio for my car ( a "POV", privately owned vehicle in fire lingo.) The purchasing agent looked at my paper work, and stated that he would have to review it, at which point I slammed down on his desk the manufacturer's data sheet and pointed out the approval of the radio by the Federal Communications Commission, which has legal jurisdiction. I said that the FCC reviewed radios, you sign purchase orders; he did so.

    To my questions:

    1. Having run the new profile and returned to my current default profile, I looked at the User folder for the new profile, where I found a subfolder for appdata; inside were the three subfolders, with Roaming already having some entries. Should I not open and copy the contents of the three subfolders in the default profile and copy that information to the equivalent subfolders in the new profile, rather than copying the entire appdata folder. It seems to me that, were I to do that, I would end up with, inside the existing appdata folder, a new appdata subfolder.

    2. In the new profile, there are also other existing folders, most of which are empty, such as Documents; ought I not do the same thing as wth (1) above, namely copy the contents, not the folders themselves?

    3. in the default, under USERS, there is a whole series of other items, such as *.dll, *manifest, even one .exe: Do these items get copied. (I will NOT copy NTUSER,DAT, having had more than enough other problems recently.)

    If, and only if, you are lucky, this will conclude my being obnoxious, at least on this subject. All rights reserved....

    ===
    Hmm, I am glad, you probably are not, that I `reserved all rights': Most of the folders in the new profile are not only empty, but cannot be opened. I surmise that, rather than copying the contents, for those new folders, I should copy the entire old folders into the new profile. I guess that I will get a message about replacing the existing empty folders, or something to that effect.

    Again, my apologies for being so insistent. As I wrote earlier, I have recently encountered a lengthy series of problems, such as getting a letter from one creditor saying that they could not email me the monthly bill. Turned out that the company had installed a new billing system, and had decided that my email ended in .com, instead of the .net that had been in the older system.

    That was followed by my not receiving the monthly bill from another company, that had cleverly removed me from their paperless billing system. Took four calls to fix that, and the information relayed to me from a supervisor on the last call, which I had asked for previously but not received, was that paperless billing would be restarted 20Dec2017, for the Jan. 2018 bill. The December 2017 bill was received via email two days later.
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  2.    22 Dec 2017 #111

    Not Myself said: View Post
    1. Having run the new profile and returned to my current default profile, I looked at the User folder for the new profile, where I found a subfolder for appdata; inside were the three subfolders, with Roaming already having some entries. Should I not open and copy the contents of the three subfolders in the default profile and copy that information to the equivalent subfolders in the new profile, rather than copying the entire appdata folder. It seems to me that, were I to do that, I would end up with, inside the existing appdata folder, a new appdata subfolder.
    AppData contains both files that should be moved and files that really shouldn't. The roaming folder can be moved. Most of the contents in the other folders shouldn't be moved. At any rate, they didn't mention in the tutorial to fiddle around with the contents of the AppData folder. And as you have mentioned, you have already seen some entries in the Roaming subfolder of the new user profile. I will leave the AppData folder in the new profile as is, as you might end up corrupting the new user profile.
    Not Myself said: View Post
    2. In the new profile, there are also other existing folders, most of which are empty, such as Documents; ought I not do the same thing as wth (1) above, namely copy the contents, not the folders themselves?
    My answer to this one is an emphatic "Yes". And I will refer you back to the screenshot of my previous post:

    "Open the corrupted user profile and copy the contents from this to the new user profile that you just created.It is better to copy folders one by one such as Desktop, Contacts, Downloads and other files that you need. In case you copy the entire user folder, you will end up copying the following hidden system files.Ntuser.datNtuser.dat.logNtuser.iniAs you must have already guessed, above files are related to the corrupted user profile and copying these might result in bringing back the login issues back to your new user account."

    Even though they didn't mention "Documents" per se, but one would guess among the "other files that you need" to transfer, your Documents are a priority. Remember after finishing with the data transfer, you will have to delete the old corrupt user profile if things are working fine with the new one. You will definitely need your Documents unless you intend to restore them from the most recent backup taken before starting this tutorial.
    Not Myself said: View Post
    3. in the default, under USERS, there is a whole series of other items, such as *.dll, *manifest, even one .exe: Do these items get copied. (I will NOT copy NTUSER,DAT, having had more than enough other problems recently.)
    I would not tinker around with those either (*.dll, *manifest, etc..). Windows will take care of that in the new user profile.
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  3.    22 Dec 2017 #112

    Not Myself said: View Post
    Hmm, I am glad, you probably are not, that I `reserved all rights': Most of the folders in the new profile are not only empty, but cannot be opened. I surmise that, rather than copying the contents, for those new folders, I should copy the entire old folders into the new profile. I guess that I will get a message about replacing the existing empty folders, or something to that effect.
    Sorry, I didn't see your addendum (===): What happens when you try to open the folders in the new profile?. Do you get an error message?. I totally agree with you by saying that instead of copying the contents of each folder, you should copy the folder (say, Documents, Desktop, Movies. Pictures etc..) to the new profile. That 's exactly what has been stipulated in the tutorial. What should be avoided, still according to the tutorial, is not to copy the entire corrupt user's folders into the new profile in order to avoid corrupting it. By that, they mean not to copy specifically: Ntuser.dat, Ntuser.dat.log, Ntuser.ini.
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  4.    22 Dec 2017 #113

    IronZorg89 said: View Post
    Sorry, I didn't see your addendum (===): What happens when you try to open the folders in the new profile?. Do you get an error message?. I totally agree with you by saying that instead of copying the contents of each folder, you should copy the folder (say, Documents, Desktop, Movies. Pictures etc..) to the new profile. That 's exactly what has been stipulated in the tutorial. What should be avoided, still according to the tutorial, is not to copy the entire corrupt user's folders into the new profile in order to avoid corrupting it. By that, they mean not to copy specifically: Ntuser.dat, Ntuser.dat.log, Ntuser.ini.
    Wow, I have a feeling that my computer will ever get updated again. I'm still on build B 16299.98. My computer still can not do the update KB4054517. It tries to update every time I do a restart or shut down. I haven't a clue what is being discussed about the Data File. I will just leave it like it is, or take to shop, because I sure don't understand all that is being talked about
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       22 Dec 2017 #114

    Sonjstar said: View Post
    Wow, I have a feeling that my computer will ever get updated again. I'm still on build B 16299.98. My computer still can not do the update KB4054517. It tries to update every time I do a restart or shut down. I haven't a clue what is being discussed about the Data File. I will just leave it like it is, or take to shop, because I sure don't understand all that is being talked about
    I wouldn't be extremely concerned because FINALLY MS has acknowledged that the first distribution of KB4054517 was flawed in some way.
    Probably in the coming weeks we will see another version and it will have the fatal flaw fixed. My own personal experience was a fresh install of Windows 10 followed by this very update...In my case the update actually installed successfully, however the software distribution folder
    didn't realize that the update installed successfully, and as such for a couple of days following WU kept on trying to install the update up to another five times. That stopped and it seems like perhaps MS has sent a phantom update that turned off the attempts to continue to install it . AskWoody.com has plenty of information on this situation.

    Frankly I am disgusted with MS at this point. It's clear that the model of forcing these updates on users most of which are TOTALLY ill equipped to deal with a catastrophic error are finding themselves at the mercy of a company that clearly can't reliably deliver major updates that won't render a consumer's PC useless, the answer to many of these issues is to tell consumers to "reinstall Windows 10". Most consumers just are not savvy enough to do this correctly ...

    Bottom line MS must concede that this forced update model is NOT working well for most consumers and they must modify it. ALL USERS including those using Windows 10 Home MUST be able to defer ANY update for at least 60 days, with non-security updates being deferrable for at least 4 months or so.
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  6.    22 Dec 2017 #115

    legacy7955 said: View Post
    I wouldn't be extremely concerned because FINALLY MS has acknowledged that the first distribution of KB4054517 was flawed in some way.
    Probably in the coming weeks we will see another version and it will have the fatal flaw fixed. My own personal experience was a fresh install of Windows 10 followed by this very update...In my case the update actually installed successfully, however the software distribution folder
    didn't realize that the update installed successfully, and as such for a couple of days following WU kept on trying to install the update up to another five times. That stopped and it seems like perhaps MS has sent a phantom update that turned off the attempts to continue to install it . AskWoody.com has plenty of information on this situation.

    Frankly I am disgusted with MS at this point. It's clear that the model of forcing these updates on users most of which are TOTALLY ill equipped to deal with a catastrophic error are finding themselves at the mercy of a company that clearly can't reliably deliver major updates that won't render a consumer's PC useless, the answer to many of these issues is to tell consumers to "reinstall Windows 10". Most consumers just are not savvy enough to do this correctly ...

    Bottom line MS must concede that this forced update model is NOT working well for most consumers and they must modify it. ALL USERS including those using Windows 10 Home MUST be able to defer ANY update for at least 60 days, with non-security updates being deferrable for at least 4 months or so.
    Thanks for his info. I don't mind the updates. It just irritates me when they won't install, especially when no apps or programs have been installed since the last update. I have some friends that are in the same boat I am with it not installing. I wish we could not install the apps or programs we will never use. Just taking up hard drive space on my small laptop and they come from Microsoft and you can't delete.
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  7.    22 Dec 2017 #116

    IronZorg89 said: View Post
    Sorry, I didn't see your addendum (===): What happens when you try to open the folders in the new profile?. Do you get an error message?. I totally agree with you by saying that instead of copying the contents of each folder, you should copy the folder (say, Documents, Desktop, Movies. Pictures etc..) to the new profile. That 's exactly what has been stipulated in the tutorial. What should be avoided, still according to the tutorial, is not to copy the entire corrupt user's folders into the new profile in order to avoid corrupting it. By that, they mean not to copy specifically: Ntuser.dat, Ntuser.dat.log, Ntuser.ini.
    I decided to simply click on folders or subfolders in the old profile, and paste them into the new profile. When I was done, I started the new profile and looked at the results in Users. In appdata, I found the information placed there by the installation of the new profile, plus a new subfolder of the same name, so that, for example, Roaming had a small set of entries, while the new Roaming subfolder (coming from the older profile) was considerably larger. I copied all of the subfolder into the folder, because many of the files in Roaming are critical for my computint.

    For example, I use Thunderbird as my email program, which keeps all of its data in Roaming;; likewise, so does Firefox. Another example is my html editor, Coffeecup HTML Editor, which I need for the only web site I still maintain. Starting a few major updates ago, the actual .exe was moved from Program Files to Appdata\Roaming, for reasons long since forgotten.

    While I still have a number of adjustments to make, and likely somethings to transfer that are not in Users, and while I have not tested most programs, one thing I did quickly was to run dism, which indicated that the new profile is not corrupted and the few programs I did look into were running correctly.

    At the risk of malevolent influence over the new profile, I have reason to believe that I will soon be able to make it my default profile, and, after the passage of time which does not indicate that I have anything remaining in the old profile that needs to be added to the new profile, I shall bid farewell to the old one.
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  8.    22 Dec 2017 #117

    Not Myself said: View Post
    I decided to simply click on folders or subfolders in the old profile, and paste them into the new profile. When I was done, I started the new profile and looked at the results in Users. In appdata, I found the information placed there by the installation of the new profile, plus a new subfolder of the same name, so that, for example, Roaming had a small set of entries, while the new Roaming subfolder (coming from the older profile) was considerably larger. I copied all of the subfolder into the folder, because many of the files in Roaming are critical for my computint.

    For example, I use Thunderbird as my email program, which keeps all of its data in Roaming;; likewise, so does Firefox. Another example is my html editor, Coffeecup HTML Editor, which I need for the only web site I still maintain. Starting a few major updates ago, the actual .exe was moved from Program Files to Appdata\Roaming, for reasons long since forgotten.

    While I still have a number of adjustments to make, and likely somethings to transfer that are not in Users, and while I have not tested most programs, one thing I did quickly was to run dism, which indicated that the new profile is not corrupted and the few programs I did look into were running correctly.

    At the risk of malevolent influence over the new profile, I have reason to believe that I will soon be able to make it my default profile, and, after the passage of time which does not indicate that I have anything remaining in the old profile that needs to be added to the new profile, I shall bid farewell to the old one.
    It seems that everything is going well so far. Unfortunately, I don't know how your machine is configured and what kind of programs you have installed. Your personal judgement should guide you with regard to some detailed aspects of the data transfer. If you want, you can first make a system image backup, and delete the old corrupt user account. This way, you will be left only with the new user account and you will be able to see (evaluate) if everything is functioning according to plan. If not, you can use the system image backup to roll back.
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  9.    22 Dec 2017 #118

    Sonjstar said: View Post
    Wow, I have a feeling that my computer will ever get updated again. I'm still on build B 16299.98. My computer still can not do the update KB4054517. It tries to update every time I do a restart or shut down. I haven't a clue what is being discussed about the Data File. I will just leave it like it is, or take to shop, because I sure don't understand all that is being talked about
    You didn't make any mention of what you have attempted. Did you try to uninstall the failed KB?. Have you applied the guidance given in the two tutorials whose links are in the last post I answered to you?

    With regard to the data transfer discussed lately in this thread, it has to do with the procedure one has to apply in case one's user account profile is corrupt. Here is the link:

    https://www.techbout.com/fix-corrupt...ndows-10-9139/
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  10.    23 Dec 2017 #119

    I had completely, totally, even utterly forgotten that suggestion, which I shall follow.
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