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  1.    12 Oct 2017 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    It's not semantic it's a very different feature, that operation would possibly damage the guest OS, and does not perform a clean reboot
    you also get a warning if you try to use it:


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    it is very different from a clean reboot that safely disable all guest OS services to perform a clean reboot
    (probably what the OP is looking for)
    You get the warning you posted if you click Shutdown, not Restart Guest.
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  2.    12 Oct 2017 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    You get the warning you posted if you click Shutdown, not Restart Guest.
    No, are you trolling me?

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  3.    12 Oct 2017 #13
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    Well, it's nice that VMWare has (or may have) that option, but the question at hand is why it's not in Hyper-V.

    Since the Hyper-V Manager has a "Shutdown" option -- which is a clean shutdown, same as if you do shutdown in the guest itself -- and it also has a "Start" option for stopped guests, it's trivial to add a menu option to:
    1. issue a shutdown;
    2. wait for the machine state to change to stopped;
    3. issue a start.

    Simple. The only thing I can think of is that they don't want to further clutter up an already very complex context menu.
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  4.    12 Oct 2017 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    No, are you trolling me?

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    No sir, I do not troll anyone. It is against the Forum Rules.

    The first screen you posted is from within the Guest OS. The second screen you posted is from the VMWare main launcher. Powering off a VM that has been suspended will generate that "reset" message. Two different scenarios.
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  5.    12 Oct 2017 #15
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    In Hyper-V, "Turn Off" is a hard shutdown, similar to unplugging a physical machine. Hyper-V can inflict this on any guest at all, since it basically just kills everything and doesn't give it any opportunity to save anything. This is actually even worse that a "normal" power-off on a (newer) physical machine, because modern power buttons work by sending an immediate shutdown command to the OS, so that IOs get completed, and key services get to do an orderly shutdown. Thus Hyper-V's "Turn Off" is an immediate and complete stop, and is usually quite risky.

    In contrast, "Shutdown" uses one the Hyper-V Integration Services (appropriately named "Operating System Shutdown) to issue a shutdown command to the guest. Thus it only works on guest OSes that support Integration Services, and has the same effect as if the user had selected shutdown on the start menu, or issued shutdown /t 0 /s at the command prompt.
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  6.    12 Oct 2017 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    No sir, I do not troll anyone. It is against the Forum Rules.

    The first screen you posted is from within the Guest OS. The second screen you posted is from the VMWare main launcher. Powering off a VM that has been suspended will generate that "reset" message. Two different scenarios.
    They are both from the VMWare main launcher, you can try yourself.
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  7.    12 Oct 2017 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    They are both from the VMWare main launcher, you can try yourself.
    Not important. Way off topic to the OP's question anyhow. So, end of VMWare discussion.
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