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  1.    17 Jul 2016 #1
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    V2P Tutorial needed!!


    Hello,

    Have a few "retail" Win-7 licenses that I need to upgrade to Win-10 before Microsoft yanks free upgrade.

    Was looking at creating VMs with Win-7, upgrading these VMs to Win-10 and then use V2P to move these VMs to physical boxes.

    Wondering if this is possible and if yes, then how to best start the process.

    Would like to avoid having to associate all the VMs to my Win-10 account for a hardware change method that I've seen on this forum.

    Was hoping that since these VMs do not have any applications etc. it might be easier to move them to physical units but did not see any step wise tutorial on the web. VMWare does have a documentation but was wondering if anyone has followed that and had any issues that I should keep in mind.

    Thanks for your assistance.
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  2.    17 Jul 2016 #2
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    I think you can do this using Sysprep.
    Upgrading now is not necessary - your W7 keys will activate the W10 installs, as long as they are the same (Home/Pro).
    Have a read here:
    Windows 10 Image - Customize in Audit Mode with Sysprep - Windows 10 Forums
    I'm not exactly sure of the steps, so questions should be asked in that thread, after reading and watching the videos.
    Hope that helps.
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  3.    18 Jul 2016 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by simrick View Post
    I think you can do this using Sysprep.
    Upgrading now is not necessary - your W7 keys will activate the W10 installs, as long as they are the same (Home/Pro).
    I thought that the free upgrade expires on July 29, 2016 and after that date, even W7 Keys will need to pay for Win-10 upgrade.
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  4.    18 Jul 2016 #4
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    A Finnish expat in Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by simrick View Post
    I think you can do this using Sysprep.
    In this specific case the sysprep process, preparing install image on vm will not work.

    Deploying a prepared Windows 10 image to a PC which now has Windows 7 installed does not apply for a digital entitlement. The PC must first be upgraded from 7 to 10 using normal upgrade methods.

    As I have understood the OP wants to use the free upgrade offer. No V2P (Virtual to Physical) solution will work for the this.


    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    I thought that the free upgrade expires on July 29, 2016 and after that date, even W7 Keys will need to pay for Win-10 upgrade.
    Upgrade now before 29th of this month, you can clean install using your Windows 7 key. Upgrade thereafter, you need to pay for Windows 10 license.

    Kari
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  5.    18 Jul 2016 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    As I have understood the OP wants to use the free upgrade offer. No V2P (Virtual to Physical) solution will work for this.
    Upgrade now before 29th of this month, you can clean install using your Windows 7 key. Upgrade thereafter, you need to pay for Windows 10 license.
    Kari

    So, my plan to
    1 - create VMs with Win-7,
    2 - make backup of this template,
    3 - activate Win-7
    4- upgrade to Win-10
    5-make a backup of this Win-10 VM
    6-repeat steps to make multiple VMs

    Then as needed, convert these VMs to physical machines cannot be done?

    Thanks,
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  6.    18 Jul 2016 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    Then as needed, convert these VMs to physical machines cannot be done?
    That changes the whole thing.

    If your Windows 7 licenses are OEM, you can forget it. The OEM license would be tied to the hardware it is first installed and activated, in your case emulated virtual machine hardware. Totally impossible to transfer it to physical machine.

    However, in case your licenses are Retail, you don't even need to install Windows 10. Install Windows 10 on a vm using Windows 7 product key (it will be accepted until 29th) and that's it. Create a system image (I recommend using Macrium) and restore the image on a physical computer when time comes.

    To be sure Windows discards the vm hardware drivers and installs those correct to the physical hardware, I would do one extra step. My workflow would be like this:
    1.) Clean install Windows 10 to a vm using Windows 7 product key

    2.) When finally on desktop, run Sysprep to generalize the image (from elevated Command Prompt):
    Code:
    %windir%\system32\sysprep\sysprep.exe /generalize /oobe /shutdown

    3.) When vm shuts down after successful Sysprep, boot it with Macrium Rescue boot disk and create the image. Image is now generalized, in other words all hardware related information and drivers have been removed and when restored to another (physical) machine Windows will run the First Run procedure installing correct drivers

    You will most probably need to use phone activation when image is restored to a physical machine, Windows activation telling you "This product key is used on another computer". Automated activation call asks you on how many computers this key is used, you answer one and follow the instructions to activate, to transfer the license.

    Notice that when a Windows 7 product key is used to activate Windows 10, you cannot reuse it in Windows 7 on another machine.

    Kari
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  7.    18 Jul 2016 #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    That changes the whole thing.

    If your Windows 7 licenses are OEM, you can forget it. The OEM license would be tied to the hardware it is first installed and activated, in your case emulated virtual machine hardware. Totally impossible to transfer it to physical machine.

    However, in case your licenses are Retail, you don't even need to install Windows 10. Install Windows 10 on a vm using Windows 7 product key (it will be accepted until 29th) and that's it. Create a system image (I recommend using Macrium) and restore the image on a physical computer when time comes.
    Licenses are Retail. Assuming you meant that I don't even need to install Win-7, just install Win-10 and activate with Win-7 key. I think I might need to use the generic key the first time while installing win-10 and then enter win-7 key to activate or has this changed now?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    To be sure Windows discards the vm hardware drivers and installs those correct to the physical hardware, I would do one extra step. My workflow would be like this:
    1.) Clean install Windows 10 to a vm using Windows 7 product key

    2.) When finally on desktop, run Sysprep to generalize the image (from elevated Command Prompt):
    Code:
    %windir%\system32\sysprep\sysprep.exe /generalize /oobe /shutdown

    3.) When vm shuts down after successful Sysprep, boot it with Macrium Rescue boot disk and create the image. Image is now generalized, in other words all hardware related information and drivers have been removed and when restored to another (physical) machine Windows will run the First Run procedure installing correct drivers

    Ok, need to grab one of your tutorials to image using Macrium. Is there one that you think is more suited for my situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You will most probably need to use phone activation when image is restored to a physical machine, Windows activation telling you "This product key is used on another computer". Automated activation call asks you on how many computers this key is used, you answer one and follow the instructions to activate, to transfer the license.

    Notice that when a Windows 7 product key is used to activate Windows 10, you cannot reuse it in Windows 7 on another machine.
    Of course, cannot expect same key to be active on more than 1 pc at the same time. Phone activation is not an issue.

    Thanks for your assistance in this.
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  8.    18 Jul 2016 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    Licenses are Retail. Assuming you meant that I don't even need to install Win-7, just install Win-10 and activate with Win-7 key. I think I might need to use the generic key the first time while installing win-10 and then enter win-7 key to activate or has this changed now?
    You don't need any key to install. When installation asks for the key, select I don't have a product key and install normally. The do as told in this tip in one of our tutorials, the part relevant to you highlighted

    Tip   Tip
    Starting in Windows 10 Insider Preview build 10565 and TH2 Build 10568:

    Device activation improvements: Microsoft has received a lot of feedback from Insiders on making it easier to activate Windows 10 on devices that take advantage of the free upgrade offer to genuine Windows by using existing Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product keys. If you install this build of the Windows 10 Insider Preview on a PC and it doesn’t automatically activate, you can enter the product key from a qualifying Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 used to activate the prior Windows version on the same device to activate Windows 10 by going to Settings > Update & security > Activation and selecting Change Product Key.

    If you haven’t upgraded to Windows 10 yet and perform a clean installation, you’ll need to enter a qualifying product key for Windows 7, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 or buy a license in order to activate Windows 10.



    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    Ok, need to grab one of your tutorials to image using Macrium. Is there one that you think is more suited for my situation?
    Couldn't be simpler. Sysprep as I told in my previous post to make sure image is generalized, hardware independent. Shut down vm (using the example sysprep command I gave it shuts down automatically).

    In vm settings change boot media to Macrium boot ISO / USB / DVD, or boot media from any other third party imaging software. Boot vm, make image, copy image to safe place. Another good choice for making images is EaseUS ToDo Free, for that I have made a few videos: Solved Windows 10 instructional videos by Ten Forums members - Page 98 - Windows 10 Forums

    When time comes to install / restore the image on a physical PC, boot it up with imaging boot media and restore the image.

    Two things to think when creating virtual machines for this purpose:
    1. If you create a legacy BIOS / MBR vm, the image will be legacy BIOS and can only be restored to legacy BIOS hardware. The same with UEFI /GPT
    2. An image created from a 40 GB virtual hard disk can be restored to a 1 TB SSD or HDD, and the physical partition then expanded, but an image created from a 512 GB virtual hard disk cannot be restored to a 256 GB physical disk. In other words, make the vm's vhd a bit smaller than the smallest possible physical disk you can think of ever restoring it to.

    Kari
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  9.    19 Jul 2016 #9

    Hi there

    Simple if you have Macrium assuming VMWARE VM's. You'll need the bootable ISO (to create image from within the VM) and a bootable USB / CD copy to restore the image to your target HDD.

    Macrium (pro) allows restore to different hardware. Acronis might do the same - if it does steps are similar.


    1) UNINSTALL VMWARE tools from the VM

    2) Boot Macrium ISO from within the VM - you can attach external HDD for target image.

    3) image it with Macrium to external HDD.

    4) boot macrium from external USB drive / CD

    5) restore image created in step 3 to physical HDD with different hardware option
    You might miss a couple of drivers but windows will find in Windows update.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10.    21 Jul 2016 #10
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    Thank you for your continued assistance. I guess I now have more questions than before :-)


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You don't need any key to install. When installation asks for the key, select I don't have a product key and install normally. The do as told in this tip in one of our tutorials, the part relevant to you highlighted...

    Ok, will do that. Install Win-10 on a VM and use Win-7 Key to activate. Will select 'Do not have key' initially while installing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Couldn't be simpler. Sysprep as I told in my previous post to make sure image is generalized, hardware independent. Shut down vm (using the example sysprep command I gave it shuts down automatically).

    So, after running command, VM shuts down and I use macrium boot usb/iso to boot from OR will system re-start and I need to take some steps to use macrium boot/iso?






    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    In vm settings change boot media to Macrium boot ISO / USB / DVD, or boot media from any other third party imaging software. Boot vm, make image, copy image to safe place. Another good choice for making images is EaseUS ToDo Free, for that I have made a few videos: Solved Windows 10 instructional videos by Ten Forums members - Page 98 - Windows 10 Forums

    I have free Macrium Reflect but never used to create boot iso/usb/dvd. Will search on this forum to do that.


    Can I create a macrium boot iso/usb from macrium reflect running on a Win-7 PC or do I need to create this boot dvd/iso from a Win-10 PC?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Two things to think when creating virtual machines for this purpose:
    If you create a legacy BIOS / MBR vm, the image will be legacy BIOS and can only be restored to legacy BIOS hardware. The same with UEFI /GPT
    An image created from a 40 GB virtual hard disk can be restored to a 1 TB SSD or HDD, and the physical partition then expanded, but an image created from a 512 GB virtual hard disk cannot be restored to a 256 GB physical disk. In other words, make the vm's vhd a bit smaller than the smallest possible physical disk you can think of ever restoring it to.
    Kari

    Exellent points. Since these VMs will be transferred to newer models of physical machines, I'd assume that I need to create VMs with UEFI/GPT.


    In VMWare Workstation, do I get to choose what type of VM I'm creating? Or do I need to create these VMs on a Win-10 host with UEFI/GPT?


    I'll keep the size to a minimum since these VMs would only have windows installed, nothing else.
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