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  1.    21 Jul 2016 #11

    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    Thank you for your continued assistance. I guess I now have more questions than before :-)





    Ok, will do that. Install Win-10 on a VM and use Win-7 Key to activate. Will select 'Do not have key' initially while installing.





    So, after running command, VM shuts down and I use macrium boot usb/iso to boot from OR will system re-start and I need to take some steps to use macrium boot/iso?









    I have free Macrium Reflect but never used to create boot iso/usb/dvd. Will search on this forum to do that.


    Can I create a macrium boot iso/usb from macrium reflect running on a Win-7 PC or do I need to create this boot dvd/iso from a Win-10 PC?





    Exellent points. Since these VMs will be transferred to newer models of physical machines, I'd assume that I need to create VMs with UEFI/GPT.


    In VMWare Workstation, do I get to choose what type of VM I'm creating? Or do I need to create these VMs on a Win-10 host with UEFI/GPT?


    I'll keep the size to a minimum since these VMs would only have windows installed, nothing else.
    Hi there

    your reply is a bit confusing

    I assume if you want a V2P you already have a VIRTUAL MACHINE image in some working format.

    In this case if you don't have the vmware format simply download the vmware converter tools and convert to vmware format -- vmware player is FREE.

    (The converter is also Free).

    Download VMware vCenter Converter Standalone for P2V Conversion

    Don't be put off by the fact it says P2V --it also works for V2V (Virtual to Virtual) -- after all there's nothing to stop you saying your "Physical machine" is actually a VM in a different format such as VBOX !!.

    Then boot the VM, run macrium to image the VM FROM WITHIN THE VM and then restore FROM A STAND ALONE bootable system to your target HDD -- and re-boot the physical machine.

    Not sure what the problem is --method works 100% on any Virtual machine I've tried to convert and run on a physical machine. Activation is another issue --you will need licence keys or W7/W8/W8.1 keys to activate the W10 system.

    If boot fails ist time round simply run the windows installer (created from Windows media creator) and run repair system --normally not needed.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2.    21 Jul 2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    your reply is a bit confusing...
    Funny :-) I was about to state that for your first response.

    I'm not sure if you looked at the original post. Could you please look at that and let me know what steps would I need to take. I do not have a VM already.

    Thanks for your assistance.
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  3.    21 Jul 2016 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    So, after running command, VM shuts down and I use macrium boot usb/iso to boot from OR will system re-start and I need to take some steps to use macrium boot/iso?
    If using the sysprep command exactly as I told, system will shutdown when ready. When done, change the boot device in vm settings to Macrium Rescue ISO and boot vm from that.


    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    I have free Macrium Reflect but never used to create boot iso/usb/dvd. Will search on this forum to do that.

    Can I create a macrium boot iso/usb from macrium reflect running on a Win-7 PC or do I need to create this boot dvd/iso from a Win-10 PC?
    You can use Macrium in Windows 7 to create boot media.

    Run Macrium, select Create Rescue Media from Other Tasks menu:

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    Accept defaults clicking Next and again Next in next dialog.

    I always run it twice, once creating an ISO which I use to boot virtual machines with, once to create a USB rescue media to boot physical computers with:

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    Click Finish to create boot device (Macrium Rescue ISO and / or CD or USB drive).


    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    In VMWare Workstation, do I get to choose what type of VM I'm creating? Or do I need to create these VMs on a Win-10 host with UEFI/GPT?
    I do not know VMware, being a huge Hyper-V fan that's what I use. As two hypervisors cannot work on same Windows setup, using Hyper-V I cannot even test VMware to see if I could advice in using it.

    In Hyper-V the selection is made in New Virtual Machine Wizard. Generation 1 (highlighted green in screenshot) for BIOS / MBR system, Generation 2 (yellow) for UEFI / GPT system:

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    I'll keep the size to a minimum since these VMs would only have windows installed, nothing else.
    When creating vm keep the VHD size smaller than smallest physical HDD / SSD on physical machines you will deploy the image to.

    Kari
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  4.    22 Jul 2016 #14
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    Thank you Kari for your assistance. I think I now have all information to begin the process.

    Have not tried it on a Win-7 machine but on a Win-10 with VMWare Workstation, I see that I do get the option of creating VM either with legacy BIOS or EFI.

    From VMware manual:
    "Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) is replacing BIOS as a technology that newer computers and operatingsystems use to boot computers. EFI is sometimes referred to as Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
    (UEFI)."


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    Thanks again for your assistance.
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  5.    22 Jul 2016 #15
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    Hello Kari,

    While creating rescue media in Macrium Reflect on a Win-7 Host, after selecting Win-10 as PE, I get the following dialog box that indicates that rescue media has the drivers associated with host machine. Is that going to be a problem later on?

    Thanks,


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  6.    22 Jul 2016 #16
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    No, that's not a problem. Rescue media with Macrium, it tries to add all available drivers for that hardware you are using when creating it. Those drivers will then help the Rescue media to connect to network and possible external storage media.

    However, as you will only need the Rescue ISO and / or USB to boot machines in order to create an image, those drivers will do no harm on whatever machine, physical or virtual, you will use it.
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  7.    22 Jul 2016 #17

    Hi there
    Just one final point here

    A VMWARE VM can have a UEFI or MBR (standard) boot whether or not the physical machine has UEFI capability.
    If you create a VMware image with a UEFI boot you won't be able to create a physical machine (V2P) from the virtual machine if the physical machine isn't UEFI enabled.

    Creating a VM from the physical machine (P2V) doesn't matter --just change the options in the VM's config settings.

    Note Macrium is excellent at cloning / restoring images - even to machines with different hardware. The resulting Windows (physical) is usually bootable and on the rare cases where it doesn't a repair system from the windows ISO works fine.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8.    23 Jul 2016 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    A VMWARE VM can have a UEFI or MBR (standard) boot whether or not the physical machine has UEFI capability.
    If you create a VMware image with a UEFI boot you won't be able to create a physical machine (V2P) from the virtual machine if the physical machine isn't UEFI enabled.
    Interesting. So one can create a EFI VM with legacy host and there'd be no issues while creating a physical machine (w/UEFI enabled)?
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  9.    23 Jul 2016 #19

    Quote Originally Posted by nkaufman View Post
    Interesting. So one can create a EFI VM with legacy host and there'd be no issues while creating a physical machine (w/UEFI enabled)?
    Hi there
    That's the point of VM's - you can do things like that

    On an old PC with virtualisation in the CPU enabled (all new cpu's are by default) I ran W7 X64 and even W10 X-64 on XP !!!! (32 bit).

    Of course the XP system could only access 4GB memory so Host + VM together could only have a max combined RAM of 4GB but it was an interesting exercise running a 64 bit guest OS on XP. !!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10.    28 Jul 2016 #20
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    Kari - Thanks for your assistance in this. I was able to create Win-10 images for my set of retail Win-7 licenses. Hopefully I'll be able to restore images to physical machines in the next couple of months when I'll be getting some new machines.
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