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  1. Joined : Mar 2015
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       01 May 2016 #11

    You get audio without RDP if you're connecting to a Hyper-V guest that supports enhanced session mode.
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  2. Joined : Apr 2014
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       01 May 2016 #12

    The main here has the X-Fi Xtreme Audio PCIe card in with the digital input. But with the 10 VMs using WS 12 and now 12.1.1 I find I already have sharing with the host as far as immediate sound. The Windows startup and connected devices wav files sound off as each newer build finishes up. Would like to see if any VM will support an older analog tv tuner/video capture card with the RCA analog type audio jacks however as a real test to see if the card can be detected on VM as well as the host.
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  3.    01 May 2016 #13

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    The main here has the X-Fi Xtreme Audio PCIe card in with the digital input. But with the 10 VMs using WS 12 and now 12.1.1 I find I already have sharing with the host as far as immediate sound. The Windows startup and connected devices wav files sound off as each newer build finishes up. Would like to see if any VM will support an older analog tv tuner/video capture card with the RCA analog type audio jacks however as a real test to see if the card can be detected on VM as well as the host.
    XP Hosts work fine with that type of setup - can't test analog TV tuner any more though as everything here has been Digital for Donkeys years now.

    (If you have an old W2K3 server system or W2003 mukti-media edition then same is true too - you could play around with those VM's--on XP though you'll need to use the vmware video driver rather than a Native one since back in trhe days of XP you were unlikely to find any Monitors capable of pushing out HD quality (1080 X 1920). W2K3 server has better updated drivers - support went on a longer for W2K3 server --maybe some of those drivers *Might* work on an XP VM).

    To get all those audio streams though I'd assume you have to connect to the VM's via some mechanism like RDP on separate devices -- trying them simultaneously on the HOST with one sound card would garble up the outputs !!! if you wanted the VM's to play sound concurrently. Dishing up sound via RDP or similar gets round that particular problem. No problem with Multi-media servers running on VM's such as PLEX / MEZZMO / SQUEEZEBOXSERVER etc since sound is sent directly to the remote devices - you don't even need a sound card on the Host.

    For example squeezeboxserver dishes up sound to remote devices (Smart TV, squeezeboxes, Bose Wifi speakers etc - and even a software player on remote computers. No sound card needed on the computer hosting the server.

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    Cheers
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  4. Joined : Apr 2014
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       01 May 2016 #14

    I wouldn't say XP is required one bit for analog input. The update used for the old XP, Vista tuner card was for a PCIe model card by the same brand for this old PCI type card.

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    Here I find ways to get things to work! Generally I would have had the PCIe card in instead but that sadly lacked the composite RCA inputs for both video and sound from analog vhs sources. I can also view live cable tv as well as convert analog to digital at times when some old vhs camcorder tapes have to be converted in order to preserve things.

    You can scrub any detection of the tuner card as I suspected would be the case. Once the app was on I get the message no card was detected and need to reinstall the device driver which wouldn't do any good since a great number expansion cards as well as other hardwares simply can't be detected. Players on the other hand are software where you simply set up a file sharing config with the host OS for certain folders in order to upload for playback or connect to the web.
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  5.    02 May 2016 #15

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    I wouldn't say XP is required one bit for analog input. The update used for the old XP, Vista tuner card was for a PCIe model card by the same brand for this old PCI type card.

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    Here I find ways to get things to work! Generally I would have had the PCIe card in instead but that sadly lacked the composite RCA inputs for both video and sound from analog vhs sources. I can also view live cable tv as well as convert analog to digital at times when some old vhs camcorder tapes have to be converted in order to preserve things.

    You can scrub any detection of the tuner card as I suspected would be the case. Once the app was on I get the message no card was detected and need to reinstall the device driver which wouldn't do any good since a great number expansion cards as well as other hardwares simply can't be detected. Players on the other hand are software where you simply set up a file sharing config with the host OS for certain folders in order to upload for playback or connect to the web.

    Hi

    @ Night Hawk

    My old Satellite Digital card is still detected by both XP and W7 VM's --- The driver is loaded up from within the VM and it works fine --The HOST doesn't know anything about it.

    Mind you with Live streams and very decent Internet speed -- even on WIFI @5GHZ Streaming the services makes the Tuner card redundant -- and I can get rid of the Satellite Dish feed to the computer too.

    If your VM hardware can be detected by the VM and there's a driver for it passthru works fine -- although using the USB 3 interfaces give more than adequate response .

    Note though unless you use a LEGAL smart card reader these adapters will only let you watch FTA (Free to Air) channels so it's better IMO to use streamed subscription services which save all the hassle.

    Anyway I'm in the middle of messing around with Esxi, KVM, VMWARE, XEN and using as hosts Linux, W2012 server and W2k3 Server.

    VBOX (Oracle) just gave too many problems to ever get stuff working stably on a slew of different VM's so I've abandoned playing around with that any more. If it works for some with specific VM's then by all means use it -- was too much aggro for me though.

    My gut feel is that SERVERS themselves are better run virtualised under a small OS - especially if you want to set up a decent testing Lab. The Microservers work really well for specific stuff like NAS boxes etc - but for serious dedicated testiung one needs a machine where you can add a load of expansion cards rather than relying on USB connections.

    Anyway this stuff is quite fun.

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    jimbo
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  6. Joined : Apr 2014
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       02 May 2016 #16

    The tv portion for the card was never able to work properly. I watch cable by the 75ohm cable attached to the tunerless vcr of all things that also has the RCA photo inputs for patching into, The DVR box the cable company provides is what records programs I watch when away from the main build. The 20" lcd for the second remote pc sits on the tv stand so I can check in is what is happening on the main while away.

    Presently have the Windows Server 2016 on a VM only here for an evaluation period at least in order to get familiar with the latest version of that. Too bad KVM only allows for Windows as a Guest OS there since that seems to offer some interesting support functionality for hardwares.
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  7.    02 May 2016 #17

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    The tv portion for the card was never able to work properly. I watch cable by the 75ohm cable attached to the tunerless vcr of all things that also has the RCA photo inputs for patching into, The DVR box the cable company provides is what records programs I watch when away from the main build. The 20" lcd for the second remote pc sits on the tv stand so I can check in is what is happening on the main while away.

    Presently have the Windows Server 2016 on a VM only here for an evaluation period at least in order to get familiar with the latest version of that. Too bad KVM only allows for Windows as a Guest OS there since that seems to offer some interesting support functionality for hardwares.
    @Night Hawk

    Hi there

    I'm looking at trying Server 2016 too --Kari has also been playing with it.

    Final note on this thread though --KVM and VMWARE can both work together -- unlike HYPER-V on Windows -- could be an interesting mix of VM's.
    The HDMI sound though won't passthru to the VM on KVM as the Host is connected to the monitor -- if you connect the HDMI to the monitor you'll need another sound card for the VM(s). Vmware using para-virtualisation (vmware tools) have their own audio driver -- however even a windows VM under vmware workstation will stop sound once the monitor gets switched off -- that's because I'm using a graphics GPU with sound built in to the HDMI - doesn't have separate audio output so can't separately passthru. The DVI output though might be worth playing with once I can find a connector for it.

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    jimbo
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  8. Joined : Apr 2014
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       02 May 2016 #18

    I run with 5.1 surround sound speakers plugged directly into the sound card here. The second remote pc however runs the onboard sound there out to a small pair of desktop speakers having tried the built in speakers on the 20" HP Monitor and said "No Way"! With the Windows volume control all the way up you still hardly saw much output with those! That's about the same level as typically seen with laptop speakers! I run a pair of usb powered speakers on a laptop while out visiting someone to have adequate sound for someone with a degree of hearing loss.

    KVM being an open source app doesn't have any of the commercial angles and why that would be one reason why that would be lacking on HDMI support You have to take that into consideration a bit there. But you still see what VMware offers as far as being able to run multiple VMs simultaneously which can be a big help at times depending on how you setting things up.
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