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  1.    17 Feb 2015 #21
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    It must be something weird about not having the virtual switch configured correctly when I initially created the VM. After correctly configuring the switch, and then deleting the VM (and respective HD) and starting from scratch, it saw the network as soon as it booted into audit mode.

    Also, I wonder if this would be of any use here in Hyper-V?

    How to share files between a Hyper-V host and its virtual machines :: Virtual Platforms :: Admin Tips :: Windows Server 2008 :: Windows Server 2008/2003/2000/XP/NT Administrator Knowledge Base :: KBase Tips :: WindowsNetworking.com
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  2.    17 Feb 2015 #22
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    OK, figured it out. The Win 7 tut example added the user: section without the / and my username contains a space, so I had to enclose both domain and user in quotation marks.

    However, using that other link, as long as I just create a share to the location, I can access it over the network

    So, I am using a hybrid solution
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  3.    17 Feb 2015 #23
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    Now I am in the middle of installing apps. I have Office 2013 x64 installing, and it has gotten to the point where it usually sits for about 15 minutes without doing anything, but in the VM it has been almost 2 hours and nothing is happening....

    After this would be simple updates, and I am debating on whether I should do it online, or if I should do it through the WSUS Offline Updater database I have on my thumb drive - takes about the same amount of time either way, so....
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  4.    17 Feb 2015 #24
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    Sounds like you might reboot and start Office installation again?
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  5.    17 Feb 2015 #25
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    I had to bump up the stats for the VM in order to get Office to finish. Specifically, amount of memory and number of processors.
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  6.    17 Feb 2015 #26
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    This helps a bit, too:

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  7.    18 Feb 2015 #27

    Hi there.

    IMO the EASIEST way for creating shares on a VM if you are using a Windows 8 or Windows 10 HOST is to use (on the Host) Storage Spaces. That way you don't have to worry about sharing Volumes or moving individual folders to the "Shared folder". With Storage spaces you can dynamically add (or else) as many volumes as you like and they can have different volume sizes.

    Then simply share the storage space as a folder. Sub folders within the storage space will be shared automatically.

    Should work for VM's on a HYPER-V Host too. (In fact the VM itself can be contained within a Storage space too).

    HYPER-V handles storage spaces as a native file system anyway so your VM will probably perform better if it's on the same physical machine as the HYPER-V system rather than as a VM on a discrete HDD or partition.

    Installing Office 2010 (x64 or x86) on a W7 VM is normally fairly fast and problem free. In general whatever Virtual Machine software you use and provided it has enough RAM available the main performance problem is usually SLOW HDD's. Slow HDD's KILL the host performance too.

    I'd suggest if you can is to install your HOST system on an SSD -- just the OS and programs and run your VM from a separate set of HDD's (or better Storage spaces as I've pointed out). If you can afford another SSD then install the VM on the SSD. Don't then in this case add the SSD to the Storage space but keep the shared folders in a storage space.

    Unless you are using an SSD for your OS running any sort of VM from the SAME HDD as te OS will generally result in poorish performance especially if the HOST is doing I/O bound tasks too at the same time. You can get away with it though on an SSD.

    Cheers
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  8.    18 Feb 2015 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    This helps a bit, too:

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    I thought about setting the affinity higher, but my (work) laptop is not anywhere cutting edge. I'm designing a laptop that I want to get as my permanent solution (Not a Malibal - I showed my boss the $10K price and he said "Good luck.") but until then I am on this machine - a Dell Inspiron 15 with a Celeron 1007U processor that I've bumped to 8 GB of RAM. At the very least I am trying to get him to spend $100 on an SSD for this machine if not a whole new machine....

    I monitored system resource usage while the VM was doing various tasks by using the Summary view of the performance tab in Task Manager, and CPU and HDD activity were pushing the limits. Hence my solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    IMO the EASIEST way for creating shares on a VM if you are using a Windows 8 or Windows 10 HOST is to use (on the Host) Storage Spaces. That way you don't have to worry about sharing Volumes or moving individual folders to the "Shared folder". With Storage spaces you can dynamically add (or else) as many volumes as you like and they can have different volume sizes.

    Then simply share the storage space as a folder. Sub folders within the storage space will be shared automatically.

    Should work for VM's on a HYPER-V Host too. (In fact the VM itself can be contained within a Storage space too).

    HYPER-V handles storage spaces as a native file system anyway so your VM will probably perform better if it's on the same physical machine as the HYPER-V system rather than as a VM on a discrete HDD or partition.

    Installing Office 2010 (x64 or x86) on a W7 VM is normally fairly fast and problem free. In general whatever Virtual Machine software you use and provided it has enough RAM available the main performance problem is usually SLOW HDD's. Slow HDD's KILL the host performance too.

    I'd suggest if you can is to install your HOST system on an SSD -- just the OS and programs and run your VM from a separate set of HDD's (or better Storage spaces as I've pointed out). If you can afford another SSD then install the VM on the SSD. Don't then in this case add the SSD to the Storage space but keep the shared folders in a storage space.

    Unless you are using an SSD for your OS running any sort of VM from the SAME HDD as te OS will generally result in poorish performance especially if the HOST is doing I/O bound tasks too at the same time. You can get away with it though on an SSD.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Thanks for the info on Storage Spaces - I skipped 8 so I have not even played with them at all. I'll give that a go.

    As for installing Office 2013 - I've installed it here literally 50+ times, so I well know the speed, as well as where it 'seems' to hang - problem is that in this VM, the first two installs had gone well past the hour mark, and I couldn't wait. I use RMPrepUSB / Easy2Boot and keep .ISOs of everything I need on it, and I am using a 128 GB USB 3 UFD, so installs go really, really quickly on my 4 generation old i7 965 EE with 12 GB RAM based desktop, but on these laptops that we're rolling out (not Inspirons, actually Lenovo E545 / E555) an install from scratch takes less than 20 minutes total. On the Inspiron (host) it took about 25. So, I figured double that for the VM when I gave it only 1 GB of RAM and a single virtual processor.

    Nope. But bumping it up to 4 GB and 2 virtual processors, with 25% reserved and max of 75%, made it finish in just about the same amount of time as it took on the host.

    As for the SSD - yeah, that is exactly what I am going to be doing. But I have to make do with what I currently have until I have said SSD.... :P

    At home, I break my system across 2 SSDs on my SATA 3 ports (using the original tutorial that Kari wrote at 7F for customizing Win7 via System Audit Mode). System SSD is a 256 GB Crucial, and the \user & \programdata trees reside on my older Intel Cherryville 180 GB. That Intel rarely gets over 45 GB used, so at home that would be the optimum place for VHDs. Plus, I recycled my old original Intel X25-M 80 GB SSD and put it in this system as well, on a SATA II port, and I have 3 7200 rpm mech drives, so I have quite a few options for running VMs away from the OS drive, even if it is my fastest drive on the system.

    At any rate, Time to fiddle with my answer file.
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  9.    23 Feb 2015 #29
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    Interesting tidbit - finally got Win10 installed on my desktop at home - in order to get Hyper-V working, I had to disable The Execute Disable Bit setting - otherwise it kept going into a loop.

    And Audit mode failed 100% of the time - regardless of BIOS settings (tried many, many different combinations).

    However, now I have Hyper-V set at home so I can remote into the home machine and build my images, then pull them onto jump drives.
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  10.    23 Feb 2015 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
    And Audit mode failed 100% of the time - regardless of BIOS settings (tried many, many different combinations).
    John, regarding sysprepping Build 9926, this warning from the beginning of my customization tutorial:

    warning   Warning
     Build 9926 Known Issues:


    Use the Enterprise edition for sysprepping Build 9926, normal Pro edition has a bug and sysprep fails every time (subjective piece of information, based only on my own tests). Free Enterprise download at www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-enterprise-technical-preview?i=1

    1.) Build 9926 Pro edition (from Windows Insider) fails the sysprep every time on vm and two thirds of tries on real machine. This seems to be (comical enough!) due Windows Insider app. Checking the error logs there's various errors every time, but always something common:

    "Package Microsoft.InsiderHub_1.1.0.400_x64 was installed for a user, but not provisioned for all users".

    I tried removing the AppxPackage Microsoft.InsiderHub before sysprepping, did not work. Also trying to install offline, vm not connected to network when installing to avoid installing the Hub in the first place did not help, however logical solution that had been.

    2.) Build 9926 Enterprise edition (from TechNet Evaluation Center), sysprep and customizations work every time like a charm as long as you remember to disconnect the computer or vm from the network before starting to install. As soon as you have arrived to desktop in Audit Mode you can reconnect the computer and download ADK and software to be installed. When connected to network while installing, all vm syspreps failed and over half on the real machines. As soon as I tried to install network disconnected, my success rate was 100%.

    Note   Note
    Even if the Sysprep works when done as told above, Enterprise edition installed without Internet connection, it's quite useles as it disables Start Menu, Search and Modern apps. At this point Sysprep can only be used for testing various answer file scenarios but I do not recommend using it to modify or customize a Windows setup you intend to use. Windows is nearly useless without Start and Search not to mention Modern apps like Settings and Mail not working.


    3.) You cannot create a catalog file (Part 5 Step 5.6 in this tutorial) using the install.wim file in Build 9926. Use Windows 8.1 Update, or Windows 10 Builds 9841, 9860 or 9879 install.wim. When you have saved your answer file, open it with Notepad and edit the highlighted part in below example answer file, everything between the double quotes. In this example it is wim:X:\Sources\install.wim#Windows 10 Enterprise, meaning that the Windows install media and its install.wim file used for Sysprepping (which as told above is not the same we use for catalog) are located on drive X:.
    Code:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
    <unattend xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:unattend">
        <settings pass="specialize">
            <component name="Microsoft-Windows-Shell-Setup" processorArchitecture="amd64" publicKeyToken="31bf3856ad364e35" language="neutral" versionScope="nonSxS" xmlns:wcm="http://schemas.microsoft.com/WMIConfig/2002/State" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
                <OEMInformation>
                    <Manufacturer>TenForums</Manufacturer>
                    <Model>TF-PC001</Model>
                    <SupportHours>24/7</SupportHours>
                    <SupportPhone>+1 (202) 456-1111</SupportPhone>
                    <SupportURL>TenForums.com</SupportURL>
                </OEMInformation>
                <CopyProfile>true</CopyProfile>
                <ComputerName>TF-PC</ComputerName>
                <OEMName>TenForums</OEMName>
                <RegisteredOrganization>TenForums.com</RegisteredOrganization>
                <RegisteredOwner>Kari</RegisteredOwner>
            </component>
        </settings>
        <cpi:offlineImage cpi:source="wim:X:\Sources\install.wim#Windows 10 Enterprise" xmlns:cpi="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:cpi" />
    </unattend>
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