Windows 10: VM Tips and Tricks?

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  1.    27 Sep 2015 #11

    Kari - thanks for the info. I'm not planning to reuse the Win 8 key. I'm upgrading it now to Win 10 and will use that.

    Halasz - your second option makes the most sense to me. I like the idea of copying the disk, and just change the disk pointer when needed.

    Thanks!
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  2. Posts : 11,238
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Sep 2015 #12

    halasz said: View Post
    I am too but that will not work for what the OP wants to do.

    Checkpoints are good for one machine going forward and back. It is not at all useful if you want to completely swap your software installed base. You will have terrible problems if you want to install some software on checkpoint A and carry on using it, install completely different software for checkpoint B. And then keep them both going forward.
    I very strongly disagree.

    I have had no issues in using checkpoints in a Hyper-V virtual machine for instance for this:
    • Install Windows XP, install software
    • Create a Checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Vista
    • Install more software
    • Create a Checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Windows 7
    • Install more software
    • Create a checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Windows 8
    • Install more software
    • Create a Checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Windows 10
    • Install more software
    • Create a Checkpoint

    Now I have one vm, depending on which Checkpoint I apply it's running XP, Vista, Seven, Eight or Ten. Now I can use any of the operating systems, then restore another OS when I want to in a few seconds. Very practical, works without issues. One vm, five operating systems. I have just reinstalled and not yet restored all my virtual machines, can't get a fresh screenshot but this a bit older one shows what I mean:

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    All I have to remember is to create a new Checkpoint when something is changed. For instance, if I apply the Vista checkpoint and install new software, I need to create a new Checkpoint for Vista before applying another OS Checkpoint.

    Kari
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  3.    27 Sep 2015 #13

    Kari said: View Post
    I very strongly disagree.

    I have had no issues in using checkpoints in a Hyper-V virtual machine for instance for this:
    • Install Windows XP, install software
    • Create a Checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Vista
    • Install more software
    • Create a Checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Windows 7
    • Install more software
    • Create a checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Windows 8
    • Install more software
    • Create a Checkpoint
    • Upgrade to Windows 10
    • Install more software
    • Create a Checkpoint

    Now I have one vm, depending on which Checkpoint I apply it's running XP, Vista, Seven, Eight or Ten. Now I can use any of the operating systems, then restore another OS when I want to in a few seconds. Very practical, works without issues. One vm, five operating systems. I have just reinstalled and not yet restored all my virtual machines, can't get a fresh screenshot but this a bit older one shows what I mean:

    Click image for larger version. 

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    All I have to remember is to create a new Checkpoint when something is changed. For instance, if I apply the Vista checkpoint and install new software, I need to create a new Checkpoint for Vista before applying another OS Checkpoint.

    Kari
    Everyone knows checkpoints work. Please look again at the original question..
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  4. Posts : 11,238
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Sep 2015 #14

    halasz said: View Post
    Everyone knows checkpoints work. Please look again at the original question..
    Yes, I've already done it. I don't get your point, other than that you don't know how the Checkpoints work. OP's question:

    GatsbyGlen said: View Post
    Question. I'd like to save off the VM in it's initial state. Is it better to just make a copy of the vmcx, vmrs, and vhdx? Or is better to do Export?
    The answer: Use checkpoints. When installed and ready to save your vm, create a checkpoint to save the vm in its initial state. You can always restore it, go back to the exact point when the checkpoint was created.

    Kari
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  5.    27 Sep 2015 #15

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    Last edited by lx07; 05 Oct 2016 at 10:12.
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  6.    27 Sep 2015 #16

    I think two different questions might be getting answered here, and I thank you both for your feedback. Having separate VM states for different customers sounds like it can be best accomplished by having 2 or disks. I'm not seeing how it can be done with checkpoints honestly, although I see how checkpoints make easy to roll back to a given state for a given machine (e.g., it's initial state). But I would still like to export that initial state and have it live on a completely different disk, in case something drastic happens.
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  7.    27 Sep 2015 #17

    Checkpoints are great (they are like restore points really) you can try something and roll it back.

    For separate machines you want different disks (either exported or copied).

    You could install something on one disk, make a checkpoint (A) and restore back, install something else, make another checkpoint (B) and restore back. If you then upgraded A through Windows update and not B (but added a new program to B) you would get completely lost with checkpoints. How you would restore from some state of B to some state to A is at least non-trivial..

    It just wouldn't work as that is not what checkpoints are for.
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  8. Posts : 11,238
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Sep 2015 #18

    halasz said: View Post
    Clearly you always like the last word Kari. I know what the OP wants. The Op knows what the OP wants. You obviously don't.

    To be clear you can not make 2 or more branches with checkpoints. It is impossible.
    If you are confused please PM me but please don't hijack the thread any more. Your tutorials are good but in this case irrelevant.
    It never stops amazing me how the people who do not know refuse to accept the fact they really do not know and feel offended when the lack of their knowledge is shown. It's as if it would be more important to not correct the false information than to give the correct information.

    Of course you can make two branches of checkpoints. Or three or four or five, as you desire. Here's an example of a vm I am working just now, checking various imaging and cloning scenarios, at the moment two totally different checkpoint branches. I can restore (apply) any checkpoint on any branch when I want to and create new checkpoints on that branch:


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    halasz said: View Post
    Please, just write your tutorials and leave the technical questions to others.
    Truly noted. In the future when / if I want to response a thread, I will first send you a PM outlining my possible response and waiting your acceptance before posting it.

    Kari
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  9. Posts : 20,847
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
       27 Sep 2015 #19

    warning   Warning
    Let's keep this friendly shall we.

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  10.    27 Sep 2015 #20

    Brink said: View Post
    warning   Warning
    Let's keep this friendly shall we.

    OK, No further comment.
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