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  1.    08 Oct 2014 #1

    Networking woes again !!!!


    Hi there

    Why can't Windows Networking just be like Linux - nice GUI to configure SAMBA (or even use S.W.A.T), click on shares and it's done and works every time !!!!.

    Strange scenario now with HYPER-V

    HOST OS (W10) can access REAL W8.1 machine, and W10 VM running on HYPER-V.

    VIRTUAL VM W10 on HYPER-V can access REAL W8.1 Machine but NOT HOST W10 REAL machine (???!!!)

    W8.1 REAL machine can access VIRTUAL W10 machine but again not W10 HOST machine (???!!!)

    All on same LAN - both W8.1 and the W10's are x-64 Enterprise version.

    Something certainly screwed up -- I did two COMPLETE FRESH installs from the ISO.

    (Strange situation where the VM can be accessed but NOT the HOST).

    My Virtual NIC switch is OK .

    HOST and VM (both W10) can access Internet.

    I think I'll give this up -- C'mon Ms why not grab those folks at Red Hat or Novell to sort your Windows networking code -- their stuff seems to work straight out of the box).

    My main problem with Windows networking (apart from the major fact it doesn't work) is that it's ALWAYS unpredictable -- each boot up or install you can never be sure if it's still going to work !!!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 08 Oct 2014 at 05:02.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
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       08 Oct 2014 #2

    Jimbo, to clarify, is this correct:

    • Three machines, a w10 rig, a w8 rig and a w10 vm on w8 rig
    • w10 rig can access both w8 rig and w10 vm on it
    • w10 vm can access its host (w8 rig) but not w10 rig
    • w8 rig can access its guest w10 vm but not the w10 rig
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  3.    08 Oct 2014 #3

    Hi there

    That's correct -- W10 install from NEW on both W10 rig and W10 VM.

    TWO physical machines - W8 and W10 - VM is on W10 rig.

    (Also posted in another thread - on RDP Windows installer won't let me install programs - that could be a bit of a pain in the you know where if you logon to the HOST machine and then do it through the HYPER-V console.).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro
       08 Oct 2014 #4

    OK, so I got that vm wrong, it's on w10 rig not on w8.

    I will create this setup and test, will be back although it might take some time.
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  5.    08 Oct 2014 #5

    Hi there.

    Thanks Kari

    We'll eventually get it all worked out and fixed -- on the whole I think Ms have given us a reasonably good preview to play with -- some frustrations - but it IS probably even pre-alpha software so Ms did have some courage to let this out of the door.

    Some people are even using it as their Main OS !! but I wouldn't do that at this stage.

    I notice that with an INTEL PRO NIC (The decent one !!) the networking seems to be a bit more user friendly - I'm setting up the W10 rig (Host) on an INTEL machine instead of the ASUS Mobo with AMD CPU and gigabyte NIC that I've been using. AMD based computers always give me more grief - but this was an older spare machine --I'll probably keep it for an XP dedicated legacy machine !!!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 08 Oct 2014 at 10:01.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
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       08 Oct 2014 #6

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Some people are even using it as their Main OS !! but I wouldn't do that at this stage.
    I'm "some people" . Win10 TechPreview as main (only) OS on my main desktop and laptop, and on a spare HP ProBook laptop I mainly use for testing.
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  7.    08 Oct 2014 #7

    Hi there

    a local school some time ago threw out 7 desktops -- I offered to take them to the dump -- of course I kept them !! -- I cannabalized 3 of them which I use as testing rigs -- 3 X 16GB RAM and a shedload of HDD's. The 7 were all "Not working" originally - but removing some memory sticks and swapping around HDD's I got 3 working again. Nice FREE testing gear.

    Some people have more money than sense. !!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Nothern Ohio
    Posts : 446
    Windows 7/64 Professional
       08 Oct 2014 #8

    jimbo the local school has your money. It's called taxes.

    Your lucky to fall into such a gift.
    If the local school would of paid somebody to do what you did to get some system running it would of cost more than getting new desktop in labor charges alone.

    Free testing computers and spare parts. I'm envious.
    I live across the street from a school. I'm thinking I might do some trolling across the street and offer some help.
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  9. Joined : Nov 2013
    Toronto
    Posts : 4,287
    Win 10 Pro x64
       08 Oct 2014 #9

    Hey Jimbo, I got 3 real machines and 2 virtuals (VMWare and Hyper-V). Not a single issue on network sharing. All 3 real machines see the 2 virtuals and the 2 virtual see the 3 real machines and tested file sharing across network including NAS. Everything is "A" okay...

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    Thank you @Kari for the step by step tutorial. This is my first time to use Hyper-V. I installed Win 7 Home Premium. However, Legacy Network Adapter did not work. I have to use the first method for Win 7 Ultimate and I got network connection right away. Thank you very much!

    Cheers!
    Last edited by badrobot; 08 Oct 2014 at 19:38.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2013
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       08 Oct 2014 #10

    badrobot said: View Post
    Thank you @Kari for the step by step tutorial. This is my first time to use Hyper-V. I installed Win 7 Home Premium. However, Legacy Network Adapter did not work. I have to use the first method for Win 7 Ultimate and I got network connection right away. Thank you very much!

    Cheers!

    Funny, my test earlier tonight made me edit the tut . Until a few hours ago it told to select the legacy adapter only for Vista SP1 or earlier, and normal for Vista SP 2 and later (that's the way I have learned it). Then I tested with Seven Home Premium and could only connect it with legacy adapter which then made me to edit the tutorial!

    The test I mentioned:

    Kari said: View Post
    Tested Seven Home Premium in Hyper-V (one of the first times ever I have installed a Home edition!), it runs OK but as you said without integration services. As it is not officially supported Hyper-V guest (Seven Pro or better, Eight and later, Server 2012 and later are supported) that is quite logical.

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