Is there a way to Virtualize unused disk space on MBR drive?


  1. Posts : 317
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    Is there a way to Virtualize unused disk space on MBR drive?


    I have MBR drive I have been reading about options to use the extra disk-space. 1.9TB ( 3.6TB ) SSD.

    I understand I could format a full 4TB drive but it could only be read by my windows machine based on what chipset drivers
    are installed and possibly what version of Windows 10 I am running.

    I understand that Windows 10 / 11 ( 7, 8, ?? ) via NTFS are limited to a 2TB to load from

    My understanding ( after reading and searching ) I could have a second MBR on my main partition that loads after windows load and use that extra space. Sorta like a fake partition only readable when Windows loads. I just want to store any installations and excess and not use it as a work drive. Meaning I run my program/app/instance as normal but the data is read from the fake partition.

    In the future ( when they have 10TB labtop drives that are low heat consuming. ) There should be a Windows 10 tweak that would allow me to go beyond 2TB and make it 4TB or even 10TB.

    I do not want to use GPT partition just yet. Why? Well I have lots of tools and I am unaware if they will not function with the change in system. That and the whole BIOS v. Ueif ( correct me if I am wrong ) thingy. I know my computer supports that mode
    but again reading I am sorta scared that something could happen and despite all the guides showing the ability for me to recover my main drive.

    I know my windows uses 500MB for recovery purposes ( system restore and it makes a small format of some sort ), it makes, which has grown into levels of 20G or so. I just wish that I could utilize that unformulated space.

    Yes I know that it is healthy for me to have extra space but that is a lot of space and I want to utilize it.
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  2. Posts : 15,499
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    You can only use more than 2 TB if drive is gpt formatted.

    There were ways of using more than 2 TB years ago on an mbr drive but they required special pc specific drivers. It is highly unlikely that such a solution exists any more.

    If pc is uefi compatible, you can convert the drive to gpt using mbr2gpt. This is far less risky than trying outdated solutions that I doubt are even available anymore and only ever worked on a limited range of devices anyway.
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  3. Posts : 317
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    cereberus said:

    This is far less risky than trying outdated solutions that I doubt are even available anymore and only ever worked on a limited range of devices anyway.
    I would rather have an "outdated" "Dino-bot" solution because by military standards I am an outdated body ( they would prefer my naive counter-part ).
    ....

    Please tell me what are those PC specific drivers. I can read a 4TB drive, I can format a 4TB drive. I just can not run Windows 10 on it. I already know you can have a MBR that loads after your windows-load ( like how Mac-drive loads your Apple-file systems
    after windows loads and you could even run programs from these machines ). I know there is a way. The way I see it, the "Drive" will load up, and appear as a second drive managed from within the OS via a program or application, or even by the machine itself.

    ........ I just want to see it in action. The way I see things If I could unlock at least 1TB of leftover space without touching the rest I would be happy enough with that, and it would not have any re-precautions of the main MBR, with the remainder 600GB. That seems fair.
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    paragon did a driver that made the os treat mbr disk greater than 2tb as if it is two separate disks, or something like that.

    Might still be available but I have forgotten what it was called.

    I have lots of tools and I am unaware if they will not function
    What makes you think some of your software won't work on a gpt disk?
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  5. Posts : 4,188
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    There should be no reason that any apps cannot run on a GPT disk. The GPT is a detail that only the OS needs to concern itself with, the app could care less nor would it even have any sort of clue whether it is physically located on MBR or GPT.
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  6. Posts : 15,499
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    Daymin said:
    I would rather have an "outdated" "Dino-bot" solution because by military standards I am an outdated body ( they would prefer my naive counter-part ).
    ....

    Please tell me what are those PC specific drivers. I can read a 4TB drive, I can format a 4TB drive. I just can not run Windows 10 on it. I already know you can have a MBR that loads after your windows-load ( like how Mac-drive loads your Apple-file systems
    after windows loads and you could even run programs from these machines ). I know there is a way. The way I see it, the "Drive" will load up, and appear as a second drive managed from within the OS via a program or application, or even by the machine itself.



    ........ I just want to see it in action. The way I see things If I could unlock at least 1TB of leftover space without touching the rest I would be happy enough with that, and it would not have any re-precautions of the main MBR, with the remainder 600GB. That seems fair.
    Let me make it clear.

    Such solutions have not been around for over 10-14 years. You are flogging a dead horse.

    Converting to GPT is dead simple and virtually risk free.

    PS using age as a criteria to not do something is nonsense. Many of the really clever guys on this forum are as old as 70s/80s.
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  7. Posts : 317
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    cereberus said:
    Let me make it clear.

    Such solutions have not been around for over 10-14 years. You are flogging a dead horse.
    Actually looking up the software somebody mentioned makes a lot of sense. It is possible to have a MBR on the
    hard disk that loads up after Windows finishes loading allowing you to mount the rest of the unused space only seen when it is loaded.

    My problem with GPT is the ability to make backup copies that is not tied to a machine and have recovery options as well.

    I have been reading and it seems there are tons of people who have issues with GPT, in comparison to MBR. If GPT was so great why are so many people having issues and all. In my opinion while the hardware supports GPT it is probably an issue with reliability of that support. simular to earlier exfat on earlier OS's. That is why I am hesitant.

    Which means I would have to invest in backing up my current partition, then proceed with the MBRtoGPT operation, and test the hard disk on multiple computers ( Just to actually see if it is supported ).
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    Daymin said:
    Actually looking up the software somebody mentioned makes a lot of sense. It is possible to have a MBR on the
    hard disk that loads up after Windows finishes loading allowing you to mount the rest of the unused space only seen when it is loaded.

    My problem with GPT is the ability to make backup copies that is not tied to a machine and have recovery options as well.

    I have been reading and it seems there are tons of people who have issues with GPT, in comparison to MBR. If GPT was so great why are so many people having issues and all. In my opinion while the hardware supports GPT it is probably an issue with reliability of that support. simular to earlier exfat on earlier OS's. That is why I am hesitant.

    Which means I would have to invest in backing up my current partition, then proceed with the MBRtoGPT operation, and test the hard disk on multiple computers ( Just to actually see if it is supported ).
    What a load of nonsense.

    There are dozens of ways of backing up GPT disks. The way data is backed up is irrelevant to the format of the drive. Virtually all pcs in the last decade are UEFI/GPT.

    In any case, you would only have an issue if OS drive is GPT on a mbr only pc (really old).

    You have fallen into the modern trap of believing the bolloxs that often pervades the internet.

    None of my pcs use mbr and I often swap drives around.

    If people have issues, it is almost certainly PEBCAK.

    Instead of being so negative, buy a cheap hard drive, clone current OS drive to it and converyt that to UEFI and try using mbr2gpt or other tools that do similar.

    Alternatively, carry on flogging a dead horse in perpetuity.
    Last edited by cereberus; 25 Sep 2023 at 10:51.
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