Windows 10: XP Mode under W10? Yes, No, Maybe?

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  1. Posts : 3,357
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       29 Aug 2015 #11

    If 10 was activated you won't have to put 7 back on at all except for considering a dual boot. The 7 install could be a 32bit install since the 32bit 7 could easily run the XP games and apps that couldn't be run on Vista.. Vista saw Fat32 support gone while XP and 7 both share Fat32 support with 7 seeing that brought back allowing for the older 9x-XP compatible games and apps to still run even on the 64bit 10 Pro as far as some of those older 2001 titles that were 98-ME-XP compatible.

    What I found with 7 when trying to get a 64bit 10 Pro VM going on the 64bit 7 Ultimate you would run into problems after download and install of the latest 64bit VM Player while the most recent Portable VirtualBox saw no problem at all. It does seem to lean towards the 32bit OSs however on VMs except for the first time seeing a Linux 64bit flavor connect to the web when opting for Hyper-V and using the network switch made up for the 7 Ultimate x64 VM.

    The XP Mode went right on as you saw there as well but simply wouldn't connect to the web. Fortunately the XP Mode doesn't have an expiration date on that being a VM to start with. The 7 vm is a temp install only since it couldn't be activated despite connecting to the web. This is why mainly the only Windows vms are old like 98SE if not simply tossing the other guy's OS on which doesn't have any problem for a quick look at something newer.
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  2.    30 Aug 2015 #12

    swarfega said: View Post
    For some reason when I installed Hyper-V it disabled the ability to install 64-bit OSs in VB.
    When you install the Hyper-V mode it takes control of the VT-x instruction required to run 64bit VBox VMs.

    You have to choose at boot time if you want to run Hyper-V or VBox. The easiest way to do this (quicker than removing and adding Hyper-V) is to add an entry to BCD store with hypervisorlanchtype = off. See here for details. You can then chose when you boot Windows whether you want Hyper-V or VBox (you can set the default under msconfig)
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       30 Aug 2015 #13

    That link you posted there lead to an empty domain. You will need to locate the page you were trying to show with the page address.

    As for activation of the XP Mode I had forgotten while having it on the Virtual PC it activated automatically since it connected right away while now on Hyper-V without any connection the prompt to activate appeared. But the main difference is that there isn't any product key required since this was a self contained VM MS put out for people to upgrade from XP to 7 back then and still be able to run XP apps.

    You might to try the old XP apps out on a 32bit 7 VM to see how well things go and then look at a possible 10/32bit 7 dual boot that would allow you to run even more things. If I had to go backwards to run anything XP at this late date that would be one thing looked into here quickly.
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    Win 10 Pro 64 & 7 Pro 64 on 2 HDD's
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       30 Aug 2015 #14

    Night Hawk.
    Apologies for my dense brain but I have read through your post a few times but still can't grip what your saying , so to recap a little;
    I have activated W10 during my last usage so that means I can do a clean install straight from the W10 ISO ?
    My main program is Windows Office Pro 2010, I was not sure which it was, 32 or 64bit. (It was a legit' download from 'software4students' years ago ) As this folder is in C:\windows\program files and does not show as .exe *32 in task manager or properties on any part I am sure it is a 64 bit program, so I think I can only install this on a 64bit OS. ?

    If you can install VB into your 64bit W10 in a few minutes it should only take me around an hour or so .

    I will have another read and see if the fog has cleared

    Thanks once again.
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       30 Aug 2015 #15

    Since your first upgrade install saw activation you can go ahead with a full clean install and find 10 will be activated upon arriving at the desktop for the first time with the clean install. You simply go into the Settings and when clicking to enter a new product key you are brought to a new screen that will display 10 as being activated. That's how I check up on each install here.

    The MS activation servers hold a record of your hardware profile seen on 10 as the Product ID number people seem to confuse as being a new product key when the ffree upgrade activates without any being entered. The activation itself has it's own 8 groups of 5 digits created automatically by MS.

    On the 64bit Windows any 32bit program would see a folder created in the "C:\Program Files(x86)" folder not the Program Files folder since the x86 is 32bit. That is where you would look to find the 32bit Office Pro which would have been the 64bit due to the previous version having been 64bit. For anything MS it goes by the kernel 32bit or 64bit as you saw with the Media Creation tool having the two. The other x86 folder is due to the 64bit Windows still seeing 32bit emulation in a form of virtual 32bit working environment to get past the compatibility problem.

    For Visual Basic if that is what you mean by "VB" that would be Visual Studio 2015 presently as the latest seen version seen being released in time for the 10 Tech Preview.
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  6. Posts : 76
    Win 10 Pro 64 & 7 Pro 64 on 2 HDD's
    Thread Starter
       30 Aug 2015 #16

    Hi Night Hawk.

    the VB I was referring to was 'Virtual Box' as suggested earlier in this thread, all these acronyms can get a bit confusing.

    I would like to dual boot for no other reason than to have my W7 as a safety net, however it seems that you can have either W7 or W10 but not both, and to spend what MS wants for a W10 standalone is not economical or within my budget.

    So, if installing W10 64bit will work with Virtual Box and allow same to run older XP programs in XP Mode within Virtual Box that will be fine with me. What did concern me was your comment;

    The XP Mode went right on as you saw there as well but simply wouldn't connect to the web
    .

    Was there a reason why not? I would need to connect by Wi-fi to my home network in order to print as cable connection is not an option.

    Thanks again for assisting an OAP .
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       30 Aug 2015 #17

    The XP Mode run on the W7 Virtual PC used to readily connect with ease. The connection is needed to see it activate itself. The activation for that is more 10 is now at the moment as far as getting the upgrade on first without any keys involved. Generally you wouldn't spend time browsing from a VM while that can still offer a form of safety as far as malwares are concerned if you happen to lack some other type of web filtering.

    Dual booting both 10 and 7 isn't actually any more complicated then setting up a dual boot with any other version from Vista on up since they all see the same type of boot loader as far as the BCD store is concerned. There are other things however like the Secure Boot and UEFI some show concern over. That concerns the installation media for 10 however. Windows 10 - Dual Boot with Windows 7 or Windows 8 - Windows 10 Forums[2]=Installation%20and%20Setup

    When going to set up 10 on VBox the nickname for that one the first VM on the main here went without a fuss. But you can't keep it all on a usb flash drive so I had to upgrade the laptop to 10 for someone until either getting a large enough drive to split in three sections one being a back up with the dual boot across the other two for the single drive only laptop. I can always dump a fresh copy of 7 back on there while I highly doubt someone will mind the newer OS going on.

    As far as seeing backward compatibility for programs used on previous versions it always seems to turn out that you will get further running the 32bit flavor of the latest unless you ran with the 64bit of the previous version. Vista and 7 were neck and neck in that area while the 32bit 7 could run a lot more XP stuff without the compatibility mode option used at all. MS put a lot of work into 7 to make things work without hassles following the bad rep Vista got!
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  8. Posts : 76
    Win 10 Pro 64 & 7 Pro 64 on 2 HDD's
    Thread Starter
       30 Aug 2015 #18

    Hi Night Hawk.
    As said, my Office Pro 2010 is 64bit and I have to install onto a 64bit OS whether I like it or not. A 32bit OS is therefore not an option. I need to make sure that I can install VBox onto W10 with minimal problems and that I can then install and run XP Mode within VBox.

    I also need to make sure that I can print wirelessly from programs within the XP Mode environment running under W10 64bit, if I cannot print then I feel it would be a waste of time even going down that route. ( I would install an Anti-Virus program if needed in the XP Mode / VBox environment ). At present I have this older program running in XP Mode (With its own Anti-Virus program) on my W7 64bit and can easily print from there, I just need to confirm that I can from from W10/VBox/XP Mode/Program.

    Once again my thanks for your patience.
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  9.    30 Aug 2015 #19

    I've installed VBox on 64 bit Windows 10 and it runs XP (downloaded from here) fine and connects to internet without any issue at all. These VMs are pre-built by Microsoft for VBox, Hyper-V and VMware and are activated for 90 days. You just have to make a snapshot (easy to do) and after the 90 days are up restore back - you can then use them indefinitely.

    I've no idea about activating an XP mode image but XP certainly runs fine as a VM on 64 bit Windows 10.
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       31 Aug 2015 #20

    Trapper said: View Post
    Hi Night Hawk.
    As said, my Office Pro 2010 is 64bit and I have to install onto a 64bit OS whether I like it or not. A 32bit OS is therefore not an option. I need to make sure that I can install VBox onto W10 with minimal problems and that I can then install and run XP Mode within VBox.

    I also need to make sure that I can print wirelessly from programs within the XP Mode environment running under W10 64bit, if I cannot print then I feel it would be a waste of time even going down that route. ( I would install an Anti-Virus program if needed in the XP Mode / VBox environment ). At present I have this older program running in XP Mode (With its own Anti-Virus program) on my W7 64bit and can easily print from there, I just need to confirm that I can from from W10/VBox/XP Mode/Program.

    Once again my thanks for your patience.
    Still trying to get the XP mode to connect online on Hyper-V and not an easy task apparently despite going through the old Network wizard and manually configuring things. It was intended for 7 to begin with however as I was pointing to earlier for use on the Virtual PC where everything when that was installed first saw an automatic configuration for getting connected since the XP mode has it's own form of software not OS type of activation without any product key. Later on the Virtual PC and XP Mode were both rolled up into one package you downloaded once the 7 RC builds were out.

    That is one of the main reasons for why you can set up the shared printer option. The automatic configuration in the Virtual PC saw the updated network configuration tools that are not seen in the XP Mode itself apparently making things easy to set up! Yet on Hyper-V a Linux distro was able to connect to the web for the first time. That's a switch!

    As for the VM downloads on the MS page there one of the "Select platform" options just happens to be for the VPC or Virtual PC in initials only. Now in regards to:

    At present I have this older program running in XP Mode (With its own Anti-Virus program) on my W7 64bit and can easily print from there, I just need to confirm that I can from from W10/VBox/XP Mode/Program.
    The suggestion earlier about a 32bit 7 VM if not dual boot was to see if that older program will run on the 32bit 7 where you would no longer need anything XP. You could work with the 32bit 7 to run that while possibly on a VM as well or see a 10 x64 with 7 x86 dual boot. The 32bit 7 has a great deal of backward compatibility to XP stuff that Vista couldn't handle even with the Compatibility mode option. I found that out fast when first trying out the 7 beta builds that stuff that refused ton work on Vista went right onto the 32bit but not too many on the 64bit 7. Couldn't get them to run on the 64bit at all.
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