Why is Hyper V So bad?

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  1. Posts : 4
    Windows 10
       #1

    Why is Hyper V So bad?


    Been on this for days now, trying to run enhanced session.

    First ubuntu failed to run enhanced despite trying everything an following every fix, but at least that runs, never had an issue with oracle vm box an installing windows operating systems either.

    Just spent several hours downloading windows 10, then installing, the enhanced dialog at least popped up, but I guess the usb options were hidden since I only saw adjust screen size. I shut down the VM (through the windows 10 shutdown), only to try to boot again an notice it wont.

    Tried everything, wouldnt boot, then I inspected the disc, 36mbs, seriously, windows deleted itself. That was the first boot from a clean install, an its already gone... I dont even know what to google, hours of work down the drain, days ive spent, I just want 1 single enhanced session why does this take literal days for a slight hint of success, only to destroy itself. I cant even contemplate how it happened, windows was running, now its gone.

    My ubuntu install still runs fine, just windows 10 decides to delete itself, despite fully being installed.

    Oh an everytime I google anything, it returns me to a site that wants a microsoft login just to see the page

    SMH time to waste another hour for whats likely going to delete itself again
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  2. jimbo45's Avatar
    Posts : 10,810
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
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    Brokenhope said:
    Been on this for days now, trying to run enhanced session.

    First ubuntu failed to run enhanced despite trying everything an following every fix, but at least that runs, never had an issue with oracle vm box an installing windows operating systems either.

    Just spent several hours downloading windows 10, then installing, the enhanced dialog at least popped up, but I guess the usb options were hidden since I only saw adjust screen size. I shut down the VM (through the windows 10 shutdown), only to try to boot again an notice it wont.

    Tried everything, wouldnt boot, then I inspected the disc, 36mbs, seriously, windows deleted itself. That was the first boot from a clean install, an its already gone... I dont even know what to google, hours of work down the drain, days ive spent, I just want 1 single enhanced session why does this take literal days for a slight hint of success, only to destroy itself. I cant even contemplate how it happened, windows was running, now its gone.

    My ubuntu install still runs fine, just windows 10 decides to delete itself, despite fully being installed.

    Oh an everytime I google anything, it returns me to a site that wants a microsoft login just to see the page

    SMH time to waste another hour for whats likely going to delete itself again
    Hi there
    HYPER-V isn't that bad if you don't need to use "Native USB re-directs" or sound on some Linux VM's.

    Graphics unless you can pass thru a graphics card though IMO is really terrible - even bog standard VMWare VM's can manage better.

    RDP for managing remote VM's (or XRDP/FREERDP if on a Linux laptop) isn't that great either and I find mouse and keyboard on a HYPER-V VM not all that pleasant to use - often slightly jerky and unpredictable mouse movement and keyboard often misses chars when typing.

    I suspect that things like HYPER-V would be far better operationally if these were on Windows servers -- running Hypervisors from what is quite a bloated consumer grade desktop OS (nothing against the Windows desktop - but it's not lean and mean) is IMO not going to give people a really great experience unless you've got some pretty smart graphics and decent processors. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. Plankton's Avatar
    Posts : 2,078
    Windows 10 Pro
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    The only benefit that know of with a VM is the fact you can have it open with in your own opened windows session. So you can check out an OS and play around in....that's fine. The problem is; that VM's are hardware dependent when setting up the VM. If you don't have adequate hardware to create the VM.....then IMO....these VM's are useless.

    One would be better served creating a bootable USB to run a OS (only Linux) that I've found. Or setup a multiboot (mutlitple HDD's) system rather than a dual boot setup (2 or more OS's on a single drive) to run different OS's and versions of OS's on.
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  4. Posts : 4
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
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    Ive now reinstalled another time, an had to recopy over an install .vhd file, its broke af. It didnt delete itself this time, but it wont run, immediately goes into recovery on first restart (shutting down properly). I just want to access enhanced session settings, literally all I want to do. Ok whatever, all of these times, no matter what I do, hours of work, blurry screen everytime, no login anywhere, just blurry background with 0 options except shutdown.

    This happens the second I enter enhanced options, it will even load the login screen, non-blurry before I hit ok an enhanced settings options, I hit ok, boom, blurry login screen with no options. Seriously. Hours spent on this, 4+, an nothing. It simply wont work, wow an all the time wasted on linux this crap wont work on windows 10 pro and windows 10 pro.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Also my PC specs are not bad, oracle vbox ive had 0 issues, I could almost run a 3d game on it if I wanted, never had a single issue. Problem is I do need usb passthrough, plus the enhanced screen resolution setting (to potentially run a 2d game that needs regular screen resolution settings grd2d or something.) It wont work in vbox, im trying to test if hyper v enhanced settings will work, seeing as vmware can do it (just not free).

    Ive been at this for 6+ hours gave up on linux, but windows wont even work, im now met with blurry login screen the second i try to use enhanced sessions, ive done 2 installs, an 1 copy of an install because the first broke right off the bat.

    This is so painfully stupid.

    Usb passthrough was easy on even virtual box, an seems possible on this, which is the second thing I need, an reguardless theres work arounds to use 2 keyboards if both are windows 10, yet even that this piece of crap cant do. Countless hours spent.

    Specs: 16gb ram
    X470 Taichi
    Ryzen 2600x
    RTX 2070 Super
    SSD for OS storage
    VM run on a HDD

    My computer can easily handle running this, it just refuses. Im running win 10 pro, an installing win 10 pro.
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  5. Posts : 77
    Windows 10
       #5

    I have mostly used Hyper-V, used it a lot these days for work and testing stuff and i kinda like it.
    I have used Virtualbox and maybe vmware ages ago, but back then vitualization was crap anyway so it's hard to compare.
    I think i used Virtualbox some months back, or if i just tried to get it to work alongside Hyper-V, don't think i got it working though.

    How is Virtualbox compared to Hyper-V?
    If one ignore USB and Graphics/remote desktop.


    One thing i hate with Hyper-V is that for some damn reason i end up with a billion network adapters, every virtual one ends up as 2 for some reason, and one has like a shorter name of the "real" one, pretty sure it's not supposed to be that way and i even reinstalled windows cause i broke everything trying to fix it, but now it's back.

    But that's a story for another topic though;P
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  6. jimbo45's Avatar
    Posts : 10,810
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #6

    Hi there
    VMWare with WKS rel 16 seems to be OK even on a reasonably modest laptop as I've posted -- or you can use the FREE version (VMWare player).

    The best VM solution I've found though is running KVM/QEMU on a Host linux system with dedicated passthru hardware.

    If using a laptop then IMO VMWare works pretty well these days even on 8GB laptop.

    HYPER-V works best on Enterprise level servers -- on "bog standard" home systems - unless you really just like playing around with VM's I wouldn't bother with it.

    If you use VM's for some serious work then I'd go for different solutions. On My Linux laptop with integrated Intel graphics and only a modest 15 processor and only 8GB RAM I can run an XP VM (I use for using / copying music to MD's (Minidiscs) using a professional Minidisc recorder, and a hardware capture device on a W10 VM to capture SKY TV / AMAZON PRIME to external HDD for watching later. No trouble with the VM's.

    IMO on Windows 10 HOST pro edition HYPER-V is still "too much of a Toy" -- on Enterprise and server systems it's much better but again it depends on what you want your VM to do --if a full blown Desktop OS then it's not the best answer but for file serving, backups, office VDI infrastructure etc then it's viable.

    Just my thoughts though - I'm sure many will disagree - still how boring the planet would be if everybody had the same reasonings.

    Dual booting these days is a real pain - if you don't need to do it why go through all that hassle - nothing wrong with running concurrent GUEST OS's (VM's) if you've got the correct hardware and virtualisation program(s).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. zebal's Avatar
    Posts : 914
    Windows 10 Pro x64 20H2 (Build: 19042.867)
       #7

    Brokenhope said:
    Ive now reinstalled another time, an had to recopy over an install .vhd file, its broke af. It didnt delete itself this time, but it wont run, immediately goes into recovery on first restart
    That's the possible source of your issues!

    In an elevated prompt run:
    Code:
    dir "C:\Users\Public\Documents\Hyper-V\Virtual Hard Disks"
    Here you can view all VHD's, you can remove those you no longer need.

    Code:
    dir C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Hyper-V
    dir "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Hyper-V\Virtual Machines"
    Be careful with entries here!
    I assume there is a mess since you've tried many workaround and reinstallments.

    VM run on a HDD
    That's really bad, HDD is bad for Host OS, for guest OS performance is even worse.

    It's not clear how did you set up VM prior installing guest OS?
    - Have you adjusted enough memory prior guest OS installation?
    - Have you adjusted cores for host vs guest prior guest OS installation?
    - Is secure boot ON or OFF for guest OS?
    - Do you have enough virtual memory?
    - Do you meet hardware requirements?
    - Do you boot from file, VHD, DVD drive or something else?
    - What version is host OS?
    - What version is guest OS?

    So many factors and settings are involved it's almost impossible to answer your issues due to limited information.

    You might want to read some documentation first:
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/vir...windows/about/

    Let us know how it works or if you need additional information.
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  8. Bree's Avatar
    Posts : 20,085
    10 Home x64 (21H1) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #8

    Brokenhope said:
    ...VM run on a HDD.
    zebal said:
    That's really bad, HDD is bad for Host OS, for guest OS performance is even worse....
    I can vouch for that. I had an HDD in one of the machines I used for Hyper-V, the VM's were very slow, barely acceptable. Then its HDD was replaced with an SSD and the same VMs feel as fast as if they were on a physical machine.

    On advantage Hyper-V has over all others comes into play when you have Macrium Reflect installed. Its viBoot allows you to boot a Macrium image as a Hyper-V VM.

    Even though the image file may be on an HDD, because viBoot creates a differencing disk for the VM in 'C:\Users\Public\Documents\Hyper-V\Virtual Hard Disks' then if that is on an SSD the VM will be fast and responsive.
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  9. zebal's Avatar
    Posts : 914
    Windows 10 Pro x64 20H2 (Build: 19042.867)
       #9

    Bree said:
    Even though the image file may be on an HDD, because viBoot creates a differencing disk for the VM in 'C:\Users\Public\Documents\Hyper-V\Virtual Hard Disks' then if that is on an SSD the VM will be fast and responsive.
    I completely missed that!

    ---

    @Brokenhope
    You probably already know the paths I gave you are not the same on your machine.
    Anyway I posted them because a lot of junk data can be found there, you just need to figure out which one is junk.

    In my case (similar problem to yours) I removed junk by removing all VM's and starting from zero, the reason being that my first time installations were not successful so, starting again from zero with different setups worked.
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  10. storageman's Avatar
    Posts : 1,020
    Windows 10 Pro 20H2 19042.572
       #10

    I have W10 2004 running on my Hyper-V system with no issues other than USB access & screen management. I struggle getting the right screen size at final boot, but I have found if I carefully move the non-full screen display to the top of the Hyper-V window, it will then properly display in a full screen under Hyper-V. As far as installing it I just mount a ISO, it gives a drive letter and I can install from there.

    I also have 2 Unix VM's (Mint and Unbuntu) when I want to run some unix stuff, But they do run in NON-Enhaced mode along Win 7 which won't run in Enhanced mode. I'm in the process of installing believe it or not "Andriod 9 Pie". Android open system org announced a virtual support ISO which I have not installed but have the VM all configured. I want to play around testing some Android app development.

    But for each of them you have to give enough memory (4gb seems good) along with minimum of 2 CPU's Most of the time I just set up 4 CPU's then you have no problems. This machine has 16gb of memory and is a 8 processor version from Intel. Enough hardware to handle most VM's and still be able to run whatever under the host.
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