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  1.    21 Jan 2018 #21

    What are PC specs that you're using to do this ?
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  2.    22 Jan 2018 #22

    Hi folks
    @cmmpro1

    I use VMware (I got the full VMware workstation from work - but the VMware player can be used for free). VBOX should work similarly so these instructions are applicable to VBOX users too.

    In creating your Virtual Machine -- give it say 1 GB of memory and 20 GB of Virtual disk space -- should be more than enough for a test system. If it all goes wrong then just delete, have a think, coffee, beer, scotch or whatever and then start again.

    You probably will want to also install SAMBA on your VM (for networking so you can share with Windows - and vice versa) and you should also ensure package ntfs-3g is installed to be able to read / write windows NTFS files.

    After your machine is up and running you should install VMware tools or vbox additions - depending on whether you use VMware or vbox.

    Sometimes also you might not be able to get 3-d support or hardware acceleration -- that's usually because the correct graphics driver isn't installed on the HOST (physical) machine. With Windows HOSTS that shouldn't normally be a problem.

    With VMWARE if you cant get VMware tools to install package open-vmtools or similar is an acceptable package that can be successfully used instead of VMware tools. You need these packages to properly configure audio and video in the Virtual machine.

    Two little things to check -- when creating a VM on VMWARE check in the config menu USB compatibility - it's usually set by default to USB2 so USB3 devices if they work at all will only work at USB2 speeds -- set to USB 3 which gives backward compatibility.

    Here's a screen shot of one of my Linux VM's config menu. This is a fairly heavy duty one - you don't need to give yours anything like 3GB of memory - 1 GB should be more than enough !!! Also you won't need to add physical discs !!! - set your main virtual disk to around 20 GB first time round. That will be enough for a test Linux VM.

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    On network if you can't get any connections set to BRIDGE rather than NAT - Bridge will give the VM its own separate IP address and usually works - but testing will soon tell you what works and what doesn't.

    Have fun

    Cheers
    jimbo
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       22 Jan 2018 #23

    This is a tutorial from our sister site - it shows how to install Ubuntu using VirtualBox (unfortunatey the images have dissipeared @Kari), but it should still be useful, even if its for W7.
    Linux - Install on Windows 7 Virtual Machine using VirtualBox - Windows 7 Help Forums
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  4.    22 Jan 2018 #24

    cmmpro1 said: View Post
    My computer is 64 bit but all the options are for 32 bit. I am sure that's ok But.......... is it?
    If the host (what you're running VirtualBox on) is 64-bit then VirtualBox's New dialog should offer both 32-bit and 64-bit VMs):

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    If you're going to create a Linux Mint VM then be aware that there are several flavours:

    Linux Mint Cinnamon - This flavour needs the most resources (i.e. oomph!) but offers the richest visual environment.
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    Linux Mint Xfce - Needs the least resources.
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    Linux Mint MATE - This is in between the 2 above in terms of resources required. (I don't have it installed so can't provide a screenshot.)

    If the host doesn't have a lot of RAM then, whilst you're just having your first look at a Linux distro, then I would suggest downloading the Xfce ISO. If the host does have a lot of RAM, e.g. can allocate at least 2 GB (4GB is better) to the VM then I would suggest downloading the Cinnamon ISO. (Note that in VirtualBox you choose New > Ubuntu to install any flavour of Linux Mint, as that's what it's based on.) My very basic Cinnamon VM with SAMBA and very little else installed is currently 10GB so I would suggest allocating a fixed disk of 20GB if you can spare it. (Fixed disks are slightly faster... important if the host itself is HDD-based instead of SSD.)

    It might be helpful if you provide your system spec so any advice offered is appropriate. (Your profile shows 'Lenovo, Probook 6470b'... but ProBook 6470b is a dual-core business-class laptop... do you have a Lenovo desktop and an HP laptop?)

    Hope this helps...
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  5.    22 Jan 2018 #25

    Hi there.

    I wouldn't worry about resources of the Linux machine - the Virtualisation program handles all the graphics with either VBOX or VMware and these days virtualisation doesn't have to consume a lot of resources.

    1 GB should be AMPLE memory for the VM --remember a VM doesn't handle memory in the same way as a REAL machine - there's not a 1:1 relationship between allocation on HOST and allocation on VM. These days the better VM programs also dynamically allocate memory (up to the amount specified in the config when creating the VM) and release it when not needed -- also a VM that is idle just sits in the background taking almost ZERO resources.

    Linux MINT - the full works will run quite happily on a 1GB VM. 20 GB disk size is also fine.

    Run the VM though on an SSD - on a typical HDD you might have to wait a few minutes while the Linux VM is loading and initialising - plus building its swap space etc. With an SSD this stuff is almost done instantaneously.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6.    22 Jan 2018 #26

    @cmmpro1

    VirutalBox 64 bit options - You're going to need to check your BIOS for either ( Intel VT-x or AMD-v ) depending on your CPU and make sure it's enabled.

    virtualbox.org View topic - I have a 64bit host, but can't install 64bit guests
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  7.    22 Jan 2018 #27

    Just an FYI ... On my laptop (see specs) ... VirtualBox 5.2.6 ... Linux Mint KDE runs in normal video mode, but both Cinnamon and Mate will only run in Software Render Mode, regardless of what guest video driver I use and I've tried them all and all the tips and tricks
    virtualbox-guest-additions from VirtualBox CD
    virtualbox-guest-x11
    virtualbox-guest-dkms-hwe
    virtualbox-guest-dkms

    Edit: Duh ... Helps if you read the downloads page ...
    Important: The Guest Additions which come with VirtualBox 5.2.6 and 5.1.32 do not work properly on Linux guests with 3D enabled. Here are updated versions for 5.2.6 and 5.1.32.
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  8.    23 Jan 2018 #28

    Eagle51 said: View Post
    Just an FYI ... On my laptop (see specs) ... VirtualBox 5.2.6 ... Linux Mint KDE runs in normal video mode, but both Cinnamon and Mate will only run in Software Render Mode, regardless of what guest video driver I use and I've tried them all and all the tips and tricks
    virtualbox-guest-additions from VirtualBox CD
    virtualbox-guest-x11
    virtualbox-guest-dkms-hwe
    virtualbox-guest-dkms

    Edit: Duh ... Helps if you read the downloads page ...
    Important: The Guest Additions which come with VirtualBox 5.2.6 and 5.1.32 do not work properly on Linux guests with 3D enabled. Here are updated versions for 5.2.6 and 5.1.32.

    Hi there

    Time to switch to VMware !!!!!!! seriously use what works -- also for most things 3D on guest not normally needed. To test if video rendering is working OK on guest - install KDE games (KPAT) and play spider solitaire !!!! same or very similar to the old W7 version --if cards move OK then your video is fine.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9.    23 Jan 2018 #29

    Eagle51 said: View Post
    @cmmpro1

    VirutalBox 64 bit options - You're going to need to check your BIOS for either ( Intel VT-x or AMD-v ) depending on your CPU and make sure it's enabled.

    virtualbox.org View topic - I have a 64bit host, but can't install 64bit guests
    This is correct and possibly quite a useful advantage of VirtualBox. VirtualBox will run 32 bit guests (but not 64 bit) if you don't (or can't) turn on VT-x in BIOS.

    Hyper-V and VMWare just don't work at all (VMWare Player older than I think version 4 used to work like this but doesn't any more).

    You can also run 32 bit guests in VirtualBox while having Hyper-V role enabled which also doesn't work with VMWare.

    Like you said, if you want 64 bit guest (and some Linux distros only come in 64 bit) you need to turn on VT-x. Assuming you aren't using it you also need to disable Hyper-V. When you enable Hyper-V in Windows Features it makes your normal host act as VM and again neither VMWare or VirtualBox with 64 bit guests will work. If you are not using Hyper-V it is easiest to remove it through Add/Remove Windows Features although you can disable it through boot options.
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  10.    23 Jan 2018 #30

    lx07 said: View Post
    This is correct and possibly quite a useful advantage of VirtualBox. VirtualBox will run 32 bit guests (but not 64 bit) if you don't (or can't) turn on VT-x in BIOS.

    Hyper-V and VMWare just don't work at all (VMWare Player older than I think version 4 used to work like this but doesn't any more).

    You can also run 32 bit guests in VirtualBox while having Hyper-V role enabled which also doesn't work with VMWare.

    Like you said, if you want 64 bit guest (and some Linux distros only come in 64 bit) you need to turn on VT-x. Assuming you aren't using it you also need to disable Hyper-V. When you enable Hyper-V in Windows Features it makes your normal host act as VM and again neither VMWare or VirtualBox with 64 bit guests will work. If you are not using Hyper-V it is easiest to remove it through Add/Remove Windows Features although you can disable it through boot options.

    Hi here
    HYPER-V won't run on Windows 10 HOME editions - just so people don't waste their time if they don't have W10 PRO or above.

    Incidentally provided you have the VT-X or whatever it is on AMD CPU's enabled you can actually run a 64 bit GUEST on a 32 Bit Host -- provided of course that CPU is 64 bit capable and Host + Guest can't address more than 4 GB of RAM. You also will need an older version of VMWARE if you use VMware as latest versions only run on 64 bit hosts.

    It's quite fun booting up an XP HOST running a W10 x-64 bit Guest !!!! --shows today I really had a load of spare time --lucky the end Client doesn't know !!!!

    How about this -- Windows 3.11 -- probably a load of people on this forum weren't even born when this was around -- but first sensible Windows system that made any sort of networking possible in a work environment. Still works fine as a VM !!!!.

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    Easy to go Bonkers running VM's but good fun !!!! I'll see if I can get Windows 98 to run XP -- problem with that far back there won't be any video drivers bigger than VGA on the host -- although on the VM with VMware tools etc you can get proper resolution. - Lovely to be wasting time at Client's expense !!! and learning at the same time.


    Cheers
    jimbo
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