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  1. Joined : Nov 2013
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       08 Oct 2014 #11

    A bit off topic, I did an upgrade from 8.1 to 10 and the built-in Administrator account I was using to adopt authority for shortcuts was disabled. The password remained the same when I enabled it again.

    Might be interesting if it was the only account one used though.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 13
    Server 2012 / 8.0
       08 Oct 2014 #12

    Layback Bear said: View Post
    LMiller7 post #2 was correct advice.
    LMiller7 said: View Post
    By design for security reasons you cannot run Apps with an elevated account.

    Why? The implication is that only programs run within the explorer shell are safe.
    As it is, the explorer shell is the most vulnerable feature of Windows.

    ... by Apps, you suggest "metro" ... Metro Apps are, by design, more secure than Win32 programs.

    Any system connected to any type of network is at risk.

    LMiller7 said: View Post
    The built in Administrator account, unlike one you would create yourself, is always elevated with full privileges and unaffected by UAC.
    How is that? Even the built-in Administrator does not have the privileges of the Trusted Installer.
    The Administrator Account is not always elevated with full privileges and is affected by UAC.

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    LMiller7 said: View Post
    The Administrator account was never intended for general use.
    Yes, but vague. General use by whom and what intention?
    I would not suggest using the built-in Administrators Account to get on Twitter.
    A typical end user is not normally aware of its existence nor of how to use it.

    One should understand that the built-in Administrators Account and the built-in GUEST account are courtesy default accounts created by Microsoft that have features specific to their respective use.

    There is an assumption, I think, that the built-in Administrative account is more powerful than a user account with Administrative Privileges.

    It is not, the built-in Administrative account is just a defaulted template.

    LMiller7 said: View Post
    That malicious code will have all of your elevated rights and be able to do anything it wants. When using a limited account or an admin account protected by UAC those rights will be limited and that malicious code will be much limited in what it can do. Malware can evade such protection but it offers an additional level of protection. And in the battle with malware you need all the advantages you can get.
    The suggestion here is that "elevated rights" cannot be managed.
    As posted, UAC is available to limit exposure of the built-in Administrators Account and is not "elevated" by default.

    Looking at the UAC panel screenshot,
    how would you characterize "elevated" ? > by "Always Notify" or "Never Notify"


    LMiller7 said: View Post
    The problem arises when you accidentally run malicious code.
    How would that happen? There is no way to stop all malicious code and have a system connected to a network that is usable unless one is a powershell master or runs everything from an elevated prompt without a gui... even so, ...

    there is only one way to inhibit all malware and that is to turn the pc off.

    Layback Bear said: View Post
    One doesn't have to take the advice.
    There is nothing in the Microsoft Management Console Snap-in Control Files that should be hidden.
    If one has Administrative privileges, these services are available.
    If not, UAC controls and Management Tools would be unavailable to the user.

    Layback Bear said: View Post
    ... I'm one that cheats a little on such things. I won't post how because there are many all over the world that read our posts. I try to keep that in mind when posting.
    Using the MMC is not cheating.

    Hiding an available modification that is provided by Microsoft is silly.
    The fact is, Microsoft System Console programming is beyond the scope of most users.

    So now, the suggestion is, that Bat or scripts, registry edits, choice of control use, customization or personalization, usage that is in compliance with the EULA should be restricted?

    Boot to the desktop... oops, (in Windows 10)
    no option to boot a desktop non touch pc to the start screen.
    What to do, What to do.
    Last edited by mdmd; 09 Oct 2014 at 02:41.
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  3. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,390
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       08 Oct 2014 #13

    MikeHawthorne said: View Post
    Maybe we're talking about different things but, when I right click on the Documents folder as you have shown I also have an option "Remove From List".
    The picture is actually showing the "Camera" context menu, not the "Documents" one.
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  4.    13 Oct 2014 #14

    Thanks everyone for your ideas.

    While logged in as true administrator the rt-click delete function on some menu items didn't work, I was able to at least remove them from all user menus using Explorer. Not what I want but an OK bandage.

    Still playing with other stuff.

    Regards,
    GEWB
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  5. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 69
    windows 10
       14 Oct 2014 #15

    GEWB said: View Post
    Starting to find that the built-in Administrator account is a bit crippled - "This app can't open ... can't be opened using the Built-in Administrator account. Sign in with a different account and try again."

    (I always log in with the built-in Administrator account so this could be a deal killer for me.)

    Also can't delete some apps from start menus (even as Admin) such as:
    > OnDrive
    > Store
    > Camera
    > Documents

    THESE are indeed deal breakers. As Admin I haven't found how to delete Store and OneDrive from Guest accounts. Tried to edit the reg but so far I haven't hit the right combinations to rib the guest account of these security issues.

    Ideas how to remove Store and OneDrive?

    Regards,
    GEWB
    So you want "GOD mode" for 10? I know its possible for 7

    this works for 10 at this moment ( free download of shortcut for GOD mode )
    Truth Behind Hidden Secret ?God Mode? (aka Master Control Panel) Found in Windows 7 - AskVG
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  6. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 1
    win 10
       06 May 2015 #16

    i can see why most of the programs are disabled but i cannot change my screen preferences or even get into settings in administrator. what the hell is it there for if i cannot run administrative tasks in?! right now i am having a problem with updates... i am getting errors. one suggestion was to update in the admin but i cannot even go into settings! security is great but usability is also necessary or the os is useless. i too hated win 8 and did not keep it on any of my machines. so far, i am not impressed with win10. frankly, windows has been increasingly going the way of apple and trying to cater to the most ignorant of users. or maybe i am getting old. i liked 2000, xp, and 7 but ms lost me after that! i was hoping 10 would be great but it looks like they are going for 2 duds in a row. usually they only have duds every other os like ME, vista, and 8 so i was looking forward to 10 but of all the other ms os that i have tested since nt days, i have yet so have as may problems as with 10.
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  7. Joined : Jun 2015
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       13 Jun 2015 #17

    Agreed


    AlsInd said: View Post
    i can see why most of the programs are disabled but i cannot change my screen preferences or even get into settings in administrator. what the hell is it there for if i cannot run administrative tasks in?! right now i am having a problem with updates... i am getting errors. one suggestion was to update in the admin but i cannot even go into settings! security is great but usability is also necessary or the os is useless. i too hated win 8 and did not keep it on any of my machines. so far, i am not impressed with win10. frankly, windows has been increasingly going the way of apple and trying to cater to the most ignorant of users. or maybe i am getting old. i liked 2000, xp, and 7 but ms lost me after that! i was hoping 10 would be great but it looks like they are going for 2 duds in a row. usually they only have duds every other os like ME, vista, and 8 so i was looking forward to 10 but of all the other ms os that i have tested since nt days, i have yet so have as may problems as with 10.
    just bought a new laptop, a very expensive one, seems im stuck with 8.1, i tried to downgrade to win7. no way was it going to let me
    so 'upgraded' to win10

    so frustrating


    looks like ill never get 10 to work as i want it
    if i cant go back to 7, and this new gaming laptop will go back to shop

    ill buy a macbook pro and a playstation

    you dont need to **** with the settings on apple....it just works
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  8. Joined : Jun 2015
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       13 Jun 2015 #18

    leviakl said: View Post
    just bought a new laptop, a very expensive one, seems im stuck with 8.1, i tried to downgrade to win7. no way was it going to let me
    so 'upgraded' to win10

    so frustrating


    looks like ill never get 10 to work as i want it
    if i cant go back to 7, and this new gaming laptop will go back to shop

    ill buy a macbook pro and a playstation

    you dont need to **** with the settings on apple....it just works
    not sure if this helps


    :
    Person 1: Did you know Windows 7 and later contain a hidden secret "God Mode"?
    Person 2: (Surprised...) Really? I didn't. Can you please let me know how to access it?
    Person 1: Sure. Just create a new folder anywhere in Windows. You can create it on Desktop or within Windows Explorer and give it following name:
    God Mode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
    Voilla. Now you'll have access to all Control Panel settings page in a single place
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  9. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 28
    Win10 Preview, latest version
       14 Jun 2015 #19

    leviakl said: View Post
    just bought a new laptop, a very expensive one, seems im stuck with 8.1, i tried to downgrade to win7. no way was it going to let me
    so 'upgraded' to win10

    so frustrating


    looks like ill never get 10 to work as i want it
    if i cant go back to 7, and this new gaming laptop will go back to shop

    ill buy a macbook pro and a playstation

    you dont need to **** with the settings on apple....it just works
    You might need to change the BIOS settings so that the computer starts in legacy BIOS mode before you attempt the downgrade.
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  10. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       14 Jun 2015 #20

    leviakl said: View Post
    just bought a new laptop, a very expensive one, seems im stuck with 8.1, i tried to downgrade to win7. no way was it going to let me
    so 'upgraded' to win10

    so frustrating


    looks like ill never get 10 to work as i want it
    if i cant go back to 7, and this new gaming laptop will go back to shop

    ill buy a macbook pro and a playstation

    you dont need to **** with the settings on apple....it just works
    Here's an interesting article on downgrading from win8 to win7..
    Downgrading from Windows 8 to 7: What you need to know | PCWorld

    And if you like.. then get a Mac/Apple.
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