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  1. Joined : Sep 2015
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    Windows 7 and Windows 10
       09 Sep 2015 #1

    How to remove Microsoft Account from the Hidden Administrator


    I Accidentally convert the Hidden Administrator to a Microsoft Account, Need help to remove Microsoft Account on hidden admin.

    I use CMD elevated > net user administrator /active:yes

    On hidden Admin account you cannot switch to a Microsoft Account by going to Settings>accounts.

    What i did is trying to add a Microsoft account on the Windows 10 Store app. I intend to use the Microsoft Account on that app only. What happened I forgot to click that button. Instead I hit enter, since it ask for the password for the Hidden Admin. (Hidden Administrator do not have password by default)

    Then the Whole Hidden admin account is now a Microsoft account.

    Going to the Settings>accounts there is no button to switch to Local account.

    Can you please help me to remove the Microsoft account on the Hidden Administrator??

    Thanks in advance
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,564
    Windows 10 Pro
       09 Sep 2015 #2

    The built-in administrator account cannot be converted to a Microsoft account, whatever you do. You cannot use Windows Store using the built-in administrator account:

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    Could you please explain your issue a bit more. Which account were you using when you went to store to add the MS account? What makes you think the built-in administrator account is now an MS account?

    Kari
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  3. Joined : Apr 2014
    Posts : 3,313
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       09 Sep 2015 #3

    Actually it's quite easy to "Manage" or "Remove" users accounts when going into the Start>Settings>Accounts and looking down underneath the account you are logged into if an admin type account.

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    While logged into the Local account I could still sign out and sign in with one of the MS accounts and simply see the others removed by verification of the account I am signed into provided that is also an admin account as well. But at the moment you should be able to see what other accounts you have by looking under the profile pic space to see what accounts are present.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro
       09 Sep 2015 #4

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Actually it's quite easy to "Manage" or "Remove" users accounts when going into the Start>Settings>Accounts and looking down underneath the account you are logged into if an admin type account.
    Actually, that is absolutely irrelevant and has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP's question or my response to that.

    First, the OP thinks the built-in administrator account has been converted to an MS account, which is not possible.

    Second, your screenshot shows the other MS accounts of yours, which can be added to your user account in Settings > Your account > Other accounts you use. These accounts may but they don't need to be added as user accounts on you computer. If you want to see which user accounts have actually been added to that computer you have to check the Family & other users page. Even then the OP would not see the enabled built-in administrator account on the list because it is simply not shown there. The only place where an enabled built-in administrator account is shown is the Switch User menu:

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  5. Joined : Apr 2014
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       09 Sep 2015 #5

    The fact that exo15 added a new form of MS account will still be under the original Admin account listings. The screen there was made while signed into the local not MS account. due to a program change here I have to reboot into the original MS account and can grab a new screen there as well.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,564
    Windows 10 Pro
       09 Sep 2015 #6

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    The fact that exo15 added a new form of MS account will still be under the original Admin account listings. The screen there was made while signed into the local not MS account. due to a program change here I have to reboot into the original MS account and can grab a new screen there as well.
    I repeat, that is totally irrelevant and has nothing to do with OP's issue. OP assumes his / her built-in administrator account has been converted to MS account. That is not possible and even if the OP have enabled it, the built-in administrator account is never shown anywhere in Settings even when activated, nor can it be added / removed / changed from the Settings app.

    Your screenshot is from a wrong page of Settings, it does not show active Windows 10 user accounts. See the screenshot below, the same as yours but from my computer, showing other accounts I have added to be connected to my primary account:

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    However, these accounts are only added to my Windows 10 sign-in account as "Other accounts I use" but they are not active user accounts on this computer as can be seen if instead of "Your account" page I open the "Family & other users" page. Not a single of these addtional four MS accounts of mine are used as user accounts on this PC:

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    The above two screenshots show two totally different things and both of them have notihing to do with the OP's issue. In case of issues with the built-in administrator account as in OP's case, the Settings app is useless as it does not show that account, regardless if it has been enabled or not.

    Kari
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  7. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 2
    Windows 7 and Windows 10
       09 Sep 2015 #7

    Kari said: View Post
    The built-in administrator account cannot be converted to a Microsoft account, whatever you do. You cannot use Windows Store using the built-in administrator account:

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    Could you please explain your issue a bit more. Which account were you using when you went to store to add the MS account? What makes you think the built-in administrator account is now an MS account?

    Kari
    Hi Kari,

    Thanks for your reply..

    Which account were you using when you went to store to add the MS account?
    A: The name of the account is Administrator. Which is the hidden administrator.

    What makes you think the built-in administrator account is now an MS account?
    A: It is the built-in Administrator because using another user account with admin power and on a elevated CMD i run the command (net user administrator /active:no), that Administrator account is gone. Only the other user i created shows up on the log in screen. Since I accidentally converted that to Microsoft Account, Running that command will do the same hiding the Microsoft account.
    Enabling it back (net user administrator /active:yes) It will enable back the Hidden Admin which is now a Microsoft Account.

    Little history this might help.
    Originally I got Windows XP Pro as the Operating system. (User Account is Administrator)
    Then upgraded to Windows Vista Business. ( User Account is Administrator)
    Then upgraded to Windows 7 Professional ( User Account is Administrator)
    Then upgraded to Windows 10 Pro ( User Account is Administrator)
    After upgraded to Windows 10 Pro. Created another user. then run (net user administrator /active:yes). Did not do anything Hidden Administrator did not show up.
    So I run (net user administrator /active:no) It hides the Administrator account since Windows XP Pro.
    That is how i determine that is the hidden administrator.

    There no option to click Switch to local account. Usually it should be under Manage if you have a regular local account.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,564
    Windows 10 Pro
       09 Sep 2015 #8

    OK. I think I got that.

    In Windows 8 and 10 it is not possible to convert the built-in administrator account to a Microsoft account, it is always a local account and it will not be shown in the list of user accounts in Settings app > Family & other user even when enabled. It does not allow the use of the Windows Store and most of the Store apps, yet you have managed to do that.

    This is the first time ever I have heard someone has in fact managed to get the built-in administrator account changed to an MS account. You have used it as a normal user account since XP a few upgrades back, Windows 10 upgrade saw it as a normal user account instead of its true built-in status in your last upgrade and afterwards when you went to Windows Store needing it to be connected to an MS account..

    I am afraid, in fact quite sure that there's no way to change it to a local account again. Because Windows 10 does not allow changing the built-in account's type from local to MS, the option to revert it to local account does not exist. You have somehow managed to beat the system with your upgrades, this is one more good example about how really profoundly bad idea it is to use the built-in administrator account as your daily normal user account.

    As far as I know you have three options:
    1.) If System restore is enabled, restore the PC to a point before you added an MS account in Windows Store. Tutorial: System Restore Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
    -- OR --
    2.) If no restore points exist, revert back to Windows 7 and do the upgrade again. Tutorial: Windows 10 - Go Back to Previous Windows - Windows 10 Forums
    -- OR --
    3.) Start from scratch and clean install Windows 10. Windows 10 - Clean Install - Windows 10 Forums

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  9. Joined : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       09 Sep 2015 #9

    No one said anything about changing the system admin default in Windows to an MS account. What I was pointing to before was even while signed into the local account the MS accounts should be listed below the profile pic which exo15 is not seeing as he should as well as not seeing the option to sign in by way of the local account.

    That's the default user account created during the set up which apparently is not available in the account he signed into preserntly. And where seeing a new separate MS account created may be a work around for this. Once signed into the new MS account the option for the local account should be available unless something else is trashed in the 10 especially if still running with the initial upgrade install. That's where things tend to be "Buggy"!

    If creating the new MS account still fails to restore the option to sign in by local account that would indicate at least a repair install if not fresh clean might be needed to get things working as they should be. The first move now however is to have another account to log out of the present to sign into. That generally is the case when creating the new account and signing in immediately where he then opt for the local or immediately remove the problem account.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro
       10 Sep 2015 #10

    @exo15, I have now replicated your situation and can confirm the loophole in Windows 10 you have accidentally found. I installed Windows 7, activated the built-in administrator account and removed all other user accounts. I then upgraded to Windows 10 which after the upgrade naturally had only this one user account, the built-in administrator account.

    This allowed me to connect the built-in administrator account in Windows 10 to a Microsoft account and use Windows Store to download apps. Notice that because the default restrictions, this is normally not possible; when the built-in admin account is used as it should, not as a sign-in account to Windows but solely for administrative tasks it is not possible to use most of the Windows Apps with it (Store, Edge and so on), and it cannot be converted to a Microsoft Account.

    The loophole you found, activating the built-in admin in previous version and then upgrading to Windows 10 using it seems to override all default security restrictions on the said built-in admin account, making it possible to connect it to a Microsoft account. However, as this is meant never to happen, once you have converted the built-in admin account to a Microsoft account, it is no longer possible to convert it back to a local account. It is absolutely impossible, that is why the Your account page does not even show the Sign in with a local account instead option:

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    The loophole you found is so bad that I am sure that Microsoft will fix this in the near future, making it impossible in any upgrade or install scenario to convert the built-in administrator account to a Microsoft account.

    Therefore, the recommendations in my previous post are in my opinion the only valid options for you. I repeat the options here:

    1.) If System restore is enabled, restore the PC to a point before you added an MS account in Windows Store. Tutorial: System Restore Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
    -- OR --
    2.) If no restore points exist, revert back to Windows 7 and do the upgrade again. Tutorial: Windows 10 - Go Back to Previous Windows - Windows 10 Forums
    -- OR --
    3.) Start from scratch and clean install Windows 10. Windows 10 - Clean Install - Windows 10 Forums


    warning   Warning
    Windows system administrator, the built-in administrator account is not meant to be nor should it be used as a normal Windows sign-in account.

    By default the built-in admin account can't use Store, Edge and most of the so called Store Apps. If you have made the very bad decision to use the built-in administrator account as your sole user account in previous versions of Windows, you need to be sure it is not active when you upgrade. Create a local admin account for yourself, sign in to that account and disable the built-in administrator account before upgrading to Windows 10.

    If you stubbornly insist "knowing it all" and continue using the built-in administrator account as your Windows sign in user account and upgrade to Windows 10, be sure not to repeat this thread's OP's mistake to convert it to a Microsoft account!

    There are valid reasons why the built-in administrator account in Windows has extra security measures, why it is not possible to use Store Apps with it, why it is not possible to convert it to a Microsoft account when installation or upgrade is done correctly, using a normal local user account instead.


    @Night Hawk, I don't know where to start with you! Sometimes this really is difficult! Let's try:

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    No one said anything about changing the system admin default in Windows to an MS account.
    Wrong.

    The OP's issue is exactly that, he has accidentally found a loophole to convert the built-in administrator account to a Microsoft account, which usually is not even possible. Read my reply to OP at the beginning of this post.

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    What I was pointing to before was even while signed into the local account the MS accounts should be listed below the profile pic which exo15 is not seeing as he should as well as not seeing the option to sign in by way of the local account.
    Wrong.

    The accounts shown in Your account page under the title Other accounts you use are not Windows user accounts. In fact they have absolutely nothing to do with Windows user accounts. They are the other MS accounts you have added to the Mail, Calendar and / or People apps, other accounts that you use with those apps when signed in to your Windows 10 user account. The page shows on top your Windows user account and underneath those other MS accounts of yours you have added to the Mail, Calendar and / or People apps, or which you'd like to add to the Mail and People apps.

    Try it. Adding an account in Your account > Other accounts you use does not add that account as a user account in Windows 10. If you sign to Windows 10 using your MS account, then go to Mail app and add another of your MS accounts, this another MS account will now be listed under the title Other accounts you use in the Your accounts page, but it will not be added as a user account to your Windows 10.

    The same works the other way around, too; you can add your other MS accounts in Your account page and then when you want to add new accounts in mail app you don't have to go through the Mail setup process for those accounts because Windows already knows those accounts are yours and when you use the Add account option in Mail app, those accounts are already listed and will be added with one click:

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    Please try to understand the difference between Your account > Other accounts you use and Family & other users > Add someone else to this PC. The first one adds additional MS accounts to your Windows 10 user account to be used with Mail, Calendar and People apps, the second one adds new user accounts to your PC.

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    That's the default user account created during the set up which apparently is not available in the account he signed into presently. And where seeing a new separate MS account created may be a work around for this. Once signed into the new MS account the option for the local account should be available unless something else is trashed in the 10 especially if still running with the initial upgrade install. That's where things tend to be "Buggy"!
    Wrong.

    As has already been explained, the OP has accidentally managed to do something which should be impossible, and is impossible when Windows is installed, upgraded and used correctly: the OP has managed to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10 using the built-in administrator account as the user account and convert it to a Microsoft account.

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    If creating the new MS account still fails to restore the option to sign in by local account that would indicate at least a repair install if not fresh clean might be needed to get things working as they should be. The first move now however is to have another account to log out of the present to sign into. That generally is the case when creating the new account and signing in immediately where he then opt for the local or immediately remove the problem account.
    Wrong.

    Repair install does not change or reset the user account types. AS the OP's native built-in administrator account is now a Microsoft account, no repair install or system file check will revert it to a local account again, nor will the option to use a local account be shown whatever the OP does. The only options are those three I have now posted three times, continuing to use the computer with the built-in admin accidentally converted to a Microsoft account is not a viable option.

    Kari
    Last edited by Kari; 10 Sep 2015 at 06:48. Reason: long post, lots of typos :)
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