System password changed by latest update


  1. Posts : 61
    Windows 10
       #1

    System password changed by latest update


    Since I installed this system 3 years ago the primary username and password has been the same. Then a couple of days ago Windows did an update (see below). After I rebooted I tried to make a change in Task Scheduler and it told me that the username or password was no longer valid. HUH ? After a while of trying to figure this out I tried using the password credentials for my Microsoft account, and it worked just fine. Turns out if I sign out I have to use the Microsoft account password there too.

    I consider that a bonehead thing for Microsoft to do in an update. I know how to reset it, but what really annoys me is not that they changed it, but that they did NOT notify me that they did. And I question if my Microsoft account password is any safer than my local account password.

    Sorry for the whining, but I spend over an hour thinking maybe my system had been hacked. Bad Microsoft, Bad.
    Jack

    Edition Windows 10 Pro
    Version 22H2
    Installed on ‎1/‎17/‎2021
    OS build 19045.3930
    Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19053.1000.0
    Latest 2 Updates:
    KB5034122 on 1/9/23
    KB5034275 "
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  2. Posts : 43,022
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, I've seen no such change.. perhaps the question is which account details relate to your admin account.

    the primary username and password has been the same.
    - would those be for a standard user account for example?

    I'm guessing you tried to use your standard user credentials to authorise the change.
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  3. Posts : 14,023
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
       #3

    The part about local account suggests the reboot tried to go with that instead of the default Microsoft Account. When I've set up a Win10 or Win11 with the Microsoft Account then later add a Local Account there is always two choices as to which to use on the log-in screen. The profiles are different from each other so changes in one shouldn't/won't show in the other. And I've seen issues where the two User names were exactly the same and problems showed up in saved files storing in the same folders in Users, hard to separate.
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  4. Posts : 16,966
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #4

    Your OP seems to say that you have a problem changing a task in Task scheduler.
    I can't see anything in there indicating any other problem.
    I can't see anything in there indicating that there is anything wrong with any password.

    Task scheduler can really be awkward about making changes to elevated tasks.
    I assume you are running Task scheduler as Admin.
    It's very often best to just delete then recreate an elevated task if it needs changing. You can often export it, delete it, do the changes in its exported xml file then import it.


    All the best,
    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 14 Jan 2024 at 12:58.
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  5. Posts : 61
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #5

    To make this more confusing ... it has always been possible to manage your system using a Local account vs a Microsoft account, as it was not required for you to have a Microsoft account. I am not sure where the "switch" is that flips that, but I assumed that was what changed. And the system I am typing on right now uses my local account password, not my Microsoft account .

    But the other hand, this system had the same updates installed on it on the same day as the system I had the issue with, and I am pretty sure my wife's system did too, and I would clearly know if she was having a problem. So, given that, I retract my complaint about the update making the change. What happened, don't really don't care. Just some kind of a fluke.

    I thought about switching the other system back to Local control, but I consider that too dangerous, so I'll live with it the way it is. The scheduled task that this issue was linked to is working but still not correctly. But I am able to make changes again.
    Thanks
    Jack
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  6. Posts : 43,022
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    But some things require an admin account.

    An admin account can be local or MS.
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  7. Posts : 61
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #7

    I do have a separate Administrator account on that system, but it is a Local account. I have not checked to see if it is still working correctly though.
    And how would you link that to a Microsoft account ? Would it just use the same password as the User account ? Would it mean you could only access it when you had an internet connection ?
    Anyway, thanks for all the help.
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  8. Posts : 31,691
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #8

    jack63ss said:
    Since I installed this system 3 years ago the primary username and password has been the same. Then a couple of days ago Windows did an update (see below). After I rebooted I tried to make a change in Task Scheduler and it told me that the username or password was no longer valid. HUH ? After a while of trying to figure this out I tried using the password credentials for my Microsoft account, and it worked just fine. Turns out if I sign out I have to use the Microsoft account password there too.
    I suspect it has nothing to do with the update, it sounds more like you have switched your Local account to being a Microsoft account.

    It is all too easy to do this by accident, just signing in to the Store or OneDrive can do it.

    To use the Store or OneDrive it will first ask you to sign in with your MS account. The box for signing in to your MS account innocently asks if you'd like to use this account everywhere, with a big friendly blue button labelled 'Next' for you to click. In very small print at the bottom left is a link that says 'Microsoft apps only'. Click Next and you suddenly find your Windows Local account has turned into a Microsoft account. If so, then it's easy enough to switch back.

    How to Tell if Local Account or Microsoft Account in Windows 10

    Switch to Local Account in Windows 10
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  9. Posts : 43,022
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #9

    If you wish to change a MS account to a local account, or vice versa, there are tutorials in the searchable Tutorials section for that.
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  10. Posts : 61
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #10

    "just signing in to the Store" ? If that is true then it is possible that was the problem, as I am pretty sure I remember doing that. Like I said, I know how to revert it, it was it happening without notification that ..... me off. And eiter way, it got changed and I got no notification. Anyhow, that is good to know and I'll be more careful next time.
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