my user accounts woes continues

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  1. 3nd
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    my user accounts woes continues


    I've asked about the confusing user accounts in windows before ,and thought I got a grasp on it.
    but now I want to know what's wrong with this setup...
    I've got 5 acc on this pc , admin (me) , then local (me) , and 3 of my kids , 2 of which is local the 3rd a MS acc.
    when I installed win10 on here I used my son's MS acc , then made myself admin (which now looks like its a local...)
    when I log in under my local acc (j_p) , it seems the MS acc is active.
    I'm usually the only 1 using this pc ,logged in with j_p , hardly ever log into admin.
    thing is , the other day I logged into admin and found there's like 100s of stuff in the recycle bin...
    I usually delete stuff from recycle bin as soon as it goes in. (from my j_p acc.)

    I know this all sound confusing. Is the setup OK ,or how can make the MS acc,also a local, if even possible?

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    last image is of settings when i'm logged into j_p local account ...but it shows my son's MS acc

    i'm confuzzed lol

    PS: all 4 accounts except admin ,is standard . if that means anything , isn't local and standard same thing?
    Last edited by 3nd; 08 Jul 2023 at 17:08.
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  2. Posts : 1,298
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    just as confusing as it is for you it is confusing for others. I think to make it easier for people to follow don't mention the other accounts only the ones that present issues.

    JP account is showing the same image on the settings page as it is on the account page but has you sons credentials which agreed is strange.

    Type whoami in a cmd window on the jp account. followed by net user and show a screen shot.
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  3. Posts : 17,041
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       #3

    To convert an MSAccount to a local account -
    Switch to Local Account - TenForumsTutorials


    Denis
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  4. Posts : 17,041
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    3nd said:
    isn't local and standard same thing?
    No.
    The Admin/Standard choice is not at all related to the local / MSAccount-linked choice.
    You can have a local user account that is Admin.
    You can have a local user account that is Standard.
    You can have an MSAccount-linked user account that is Admin.
    You can have an MSAccount-linked user account that is Standard.


    Denis
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  5. 3nd
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    Malneb said:
    just as confusing as it is for you it is confusing for others. I think to make it easier for people to follow don't mention the other accounts only the ones that present issues.

    JP account is showing the same image on the settings page as it is on the account page but has you sons credentials which agreed is strange.

    Type whoami in a cmd window on the jp account. followed by net user and show a screen shot.
    here you go

    my user accounts woes continues-image_2023-07-09_184917679.png

    dunno what any of that mean , is something wrong ?
    ps: dylan has the MS account
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    It is merely a list of user account UserNames. Take no notice of DefaultAccount & WDAGUtilityAccount as they are objects used by Windows and not real user accounts at all.
    Guest is disabled by default [it was found to be a security vulnerability].
    Administrator is disabled by default. It is the Built-in Admin and has no powers beyond those enjoyed by any Admin account you have created yourself.

    You can go further in looking at user account properties. Just for example, enter
    Code:
    net user j_p
    and possibly compare its response to
    Code:
    net user "admin.jp"
    {spaces in UserNames force use of "" and I assume full stops do as well but have never tested that.}


    All the best,
    Denis
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  7. 3nd
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    Try3 said:
    It is merely a list of user account UserNames. Take no notice of DefaultAccount & WDAGUtilityAccount as they are objects used by Windows and not real user accounts at all.
    Guest is disabled by default [it was found to be a security vulnerability].
    Administrator is disabled by default. It is the Built-in Admin and has no powers beyond those enjoyed by any Admin account you have created yourself.

    You can go further in looking at user account properties. Just for example, enter
    Code:
    net user j_p
    and possibly compare its response to
    Code:
    net user "admin.jp"
    {spaces in UserNames force use of "" and I assume full stops do as well but have never tested that.}


    All the best,
    Denis
    thanks for the help so far

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  8. Posts : 1,298
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    3nd said:
    here you go

    my user accounts woes continues-image_2023-07-09_184917679.png

    dunno what any of that mean , is something wrong ?
    ps: dylan has the MS account
    Dylan looks to be set to a set to a user group called j_p which is also your standard accounts username too. I am not sure here tbh but this may have something to do with it. Someone else may know further.

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    I cannot recall what default account means i will have to look it up or feel free to do so yourself.

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    Oh lol nvm just worked it out by looking at mine default account is the main account you have, Yes Dylan is in the J_p user group which this has to be a part of the issue.

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    I am also not overall familiar with guest accounts because its something i have never really used i always disable them. But i think maybe Dylan is a guest of your account he would just have limited permissions as a guest. Not certain someone else will know.

    I do know that Guest should be under the Guest group though. But because he is under another group he potentially have normal permissions.

    Run lusrmgr.msc and have a look around in the two sub categories you should be able to work out what he is doing easier and then assigning him to the guest group while removing him from the existing group.

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    oof sorry not sure where i got guest from still waking up but regardless you will need to fix the account by looking at what it is doing.
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  9. Posts : 17,041
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    malneb,

    I'm sorry to disagree but that last post is seriously incorrect.
    - There is no user group j_p. You are reading things into the net user response that are simply not there.
    - The default account is not in any sense the "main account" or any other form of user account. It exists purely as part of the mechanism Windows uses in the creation of new user accounts.
    - Dylan is not a guest of anything. You are reading things into the net user response that are simply not there.
    The net user response is no more than a list of usernames. It does not show user groups and it does not show anything as belonging to anything else. It's just a list.

    Nothing in the net user response indicates that there is anything wrong with the user accounts.


    All the best,
    Denis
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  10. 3nd
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    think i solved this
    in my j_p account ,under settings - accounts - my info , there was an option that said "sign out of all microsoft ...something something...".
    signed out ,and now my things look normal again
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    think somehow i was linked or signed into Dylan's MS acc....( i do sometimes sign into his MS acc from my user account)

    pretty simple solution it turned out , i feel stupid now

    thanks for the help guys

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    1 last question ,not very important ...
    if any user deletes stuff and it goes to recycle bin,does it also go to recycle bin of admin?
    cause like i said i hardly ever sign into admin but when i did the other day ,the recycle bin had 100s of entries .
    i should have looked to see what thy were but i didn't lol i just emptied

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    ok nevermind , i checked recycle bin in admin acc now again ,after i uninstalled some programs.
    there were 125 508 files (9.8GB) in recycle bin ....that's crazy.
    all of em from the programs that i uninstalled. Why oh why does it get dumbed in recycle bin after uninstallation? surely that can't be right?

    update: ok saw now Revo by default delete files/folders to recycle bin...odd...
    why would i want 10GB of data sitting in recycle bin after i got rid of programs

    unchecked that box in a hurry
    Last edited by 3nd; 10 Jul 2023 at 10:25.
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