Applications working with all accounts?


  1. Posts : 64
    Windows 10 Pro
       #1

    Applications working with all accounts?


    Hi,

    I am currentlly installing Windows 10 Pro x64 from scratch on my new workstation.
    I mainly follow this security oriented tutorial that I find very exhaustive: Harden Windows 10 for Security. How to secure Windows 10.

    I've setup a local Admin account at the initial stage of Windows installation.
    Then I've installed few security apps: Macrium Reflect, ESET Nod32 Anti-virus, Sandboxie, Simplewall firewall, Voodoo shield.
    Then I created a standard account, that I will use in my daily work (I will use the admin account only when needed, e.g. to install software and run maintenance tasks).

    At this point, when I start the PC and I log on with the standard account, I note that not all the security apps I installed with the admin account are running: ESET Nod32 runs, but Sandboxie and Simplewall don't.

    Now, if I switch user and log on with the Admin account, all security apps run.

    And when I log back on with the standard account, Sandboxie and Simplewall still don't run.

    Ideally what I'm looking for is:
    _ installing my apps with the admin account
    _ having them automatically launched even when I log on with the standard account

    So I'm a bit confused on how do accounts work actually? Why some particular apps work for all accounts and others don't?

    Of course I can create a shortcut for these apps in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp so that they launch automatically when I log on, but I guess there's a cleaner way of doing things.

    Thank you so much in advance for your support, much appreciated!

    My Windows version: 21H1 19043.928 (internet is not installed yet so Windows is not up to date yet).
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  2. Posts : 42,984
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    It depends in part on the installation options.

    First UWP apps from the Store are only applicable to the account in which they are installed.
    Second, traditional exe/dll desktop programs may or may not have an option when you install them which allows you to choose 'for all users' or not.

    Sometimes it's easy to overlook that- it might be a prompt or a check box.

    I recommend you don't overdo the security software. Some slightly less common ones can prevent Win 10 upgrades, and may be hard to fully uninstall.

    Whatever you do, please carefully consider the strongly and endlessly recommended practice of using disk imaging regularly and routinely right from the start- e.g. Macrium Reflect (free/paid).
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  3. Posts : 64
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Thank you @dalchina,

    I only install traditional exe desktop apps, no UWP apps.
    Yes, when I can I install apps for all users (when this is what I want).
    For these particular security apps I don't remember exactly if I had the choice to install them for all users or not but anyway the standard account was not created yet at that time.

    So when installing an app, if I am not prompted to install it for all users, would you recommend to create a shortcut for it in the C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp folder in that case?

    And what about the app settings then? Are they consistent across all the users? Or are they users dependent?
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  4. Posts : 42,984
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    Bear in mind that programs may or may not create folders in the user account in which they are used.
    This may be subject to permissions making them solely accessible under that account.
    Consider too their registry keys.
    If a program is not available in another user account, personally I'd install it in that account.
    So much depends on how the author has configured the installer.
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  5. Posts : 1,223
    W10-Pro 22H2
       #5

    Are you able to log in to the std acct, then manually run one of the 'not starting' programs, and look for a setting to start up when windows loads (or user logs on)?
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  6. Posts : 64
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #6

    dalchina said:
    If a program is not available in another user account, personally I'd install it in that account.
    Thank you @dalchina.
    But installing apps twice, once with the administrator account and another time with the standard user account, looks weird to me.
    Because it means that I will have to do the work twice: every time there's an update available, I need to update twice, every time I change a setting, I have to do it twice also and so on ...

    Honestly, for the sake of overall security, I get the point having 2 accounts: one with administrator privileges to install apps, and another with standard privileges for everyday work, but if it goes to the point where I have to do the work twice, it's a pain, and I prefer having only one admin account.

    What do you think?

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    mngerhold said:
    Are you able to log in to the std acct, then manually run one of the 'not starting' programs, and look for a setting to start up when windows loads (or user logs on)?
    Thanks @mngerhold.
    This is what I did, but it doesn't work: the app doesn't automatically load with Windows.
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  7. Posts : 42,984
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #7

    the app doesn't automatically load with Windows.
    If it needs admin permission (UAC prompt) you have to do something else- you can't just put a shortcut in the Startup folder for example. There's a tutorial that can help.

    As to running a program in a second account, the issue becomes how its registry keys for that account and folders as working space are created where these are needed. Not something I've really looked into or seen fully discussed- curious, really. Some discussions focus exclusively on shortcuts ignoring all else.

    Consider a program whose settings are user dependent.. and then consider the implications of creating a new user account.

    Hopefully if a program offers the option to be installed for all users, there are no issues. But where a program doesn't offer the choice, there's some uncertainty.

    Then consider programs installed by a standard user.. lots of different scenarios.
    Besides temporary files and folders, some programs create user space in e.g. Documents, Videos etc.
    Of course the program may simply create such folders automatically when first run on that account ..
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  8. Posts : 64
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #8

    dalchina said:
    If it needs admin permission (UAC prompt) you have to do something else- you can't just put a shortcut in the Startup folder for example. There's a tutorial that can help.
    Indeed I put a shortcut in the Startup folder and I have a UAC prompt (which is a pain as it means I have to enter the admin password everytime I log on as the standard user).

    What tutorial are you talking about please?
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  9. Posts : 42,984
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #9

    I just created a local account in addressing a different post.

    Interestingly the same number of programs were reported as installed by Revo Uninstaller, but perhaps 20% or more were not available to me under the new local account out of a large number installed.
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