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  1. clemenzina's Avatar
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    I now have no Admin a/c


    Windows10 Home 1903


    The last time I had to reinstall Windows it created an admin account with my nickname, but I actually sign in with my Microsoft a/c. Hence, whenever I rebooted I got "wrong password" and had to click OK, when the two a/cs would show up in the bottom left of the screen and I could sign in with Microsoft a/c.

    (It happened once before and I fixed it with guidance from here, but this time... I must have done stoopid things when stressed out, which is nearly all the time!)

    In netplwiz I think I must have removed the Microsoft a/c because I was still left with the nickname a/c, but everything was OK because I could carry on as before having to go thru log-on twice, and I don't reboot very often. However, the other day I got fed up with it and went into netplwiz and made the nickname a standard user instead of admin - and now I can't even install a program etc etc because I've got no admin powers, and I can't reverse the nickname a/c to be admin again, can't even access netplwiz without the password for the nickname - which I don't remember ever setting.

    I know this is garbled but honestly I can't do any better, am under so much pressure. Please assist.
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  3. Bree's Avatar
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       #3

    Dalchina's first link is to a thread that includes a link to this tutorial....

    Fix UAC prompt has grayed out or missing Yes button in Windows 10
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  4. clemenzina's Avatar
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    Thank you both for quick responses.

    Bree said:
    Dalchina's first link is to a thread that includes a link to this tutorial...
    Fix UAC prompt has grayed out or missing Yes button in Windows 10
    Yes, the Yes button is missing.

    Questions

    - Apparently, in order to boot into Safe Mode in Windows10, I have to enable the F8 key, and that involves Command Prompt (Admin), and a Yes to UAC. That's a Dell video from 2016, is it still valid?

    - Quote Tutorial: "3.1.1 If you boot up to a logon screen, it eases getting into Safe mode..." How? Is there a drop-down menu there that I've never had the sense to explore?

    - Would reinstalling Windows10 via Recovery* solve my problem as a last resort? Just asking, it's not something I want to do as it takes so long to get back to full "capacity" and this laptop is 24/7 engaged in doing stuff.

    Whatever, it's going to be a while before I can embark on this, am a quivering wreck.

    *I've already been advised to do a System Image but hadn't got around to it - where the heck to put it/keep it so it won't get lost?
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  5. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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    @clemenzina,

    You need to enable the built-in Windows administrator account. To do that you need a Windows 10 installation USB flash drive:
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
    Click on the download tool now button.

    Then you boot the computer from the flash drive and enable the built-in Administrator account using option 5 here:
    Enable or Disable Elevated Administrator account in Windows 10

    Once you log into the built-in administrator account, then you can reassign your normal user account administrator privileges again. Then be sure to go back and disable the built-in administrator account because you want to reserve it's use only for "emergencies" such as this.

    Booting into safe mode has absolutely nothing to do with correcting your problem.
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  6. Bree's Avatar
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    clemenzina said:
    Whatever, it's going to be a while before I can embark on this, am a quivering wreck.
    @Try3 who wrote the tutorial is on hand to help when you are ready to start.

    I've already been advised to do a System Image but hadn't got around to it - where the heck to put it/keep it so it won't get lost?

    Macrium Reflect Free can put a system image on an external usb hard drive, as can almost any other system imaging software.
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  7. Try3's Avatar
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    clemenzina said:
    Yes, the Yes button is missing.
    So the tutorial you've been given a link to is the correct procedure for your situation.
    Fix UAC prompt has greyed out or missing Yes button - TenForumsTutorials
    - I've tried to write it so you can do each step without being overwhelmed by being told to do too much at once.
    - If you have any further queries then post them here and I'll respond.

    clemenzina said:
    Apparently, in order to boot into Safe Mode in Windows10, I have to enable the F8 key, and that involves Command Prompt (Admin), and a Yes to UAC. That's a Dell video from 2016, is it still valid?
    There is no reference to the F8 key in the relevant Tutorial because it is not used.
    - In other circumstances, you might well use the F8 key but not for these circumstances.

    clemenzina said:
    Quote Tutorial: "3.1.1 If you boot up to a logon screen, it eases getting into Safe mode..." How? Is there a drop-down menu there that I've never had the sense to explore?
    No, you have missed nothing. That paragraph introduces [3.1.2] a set of variations intended to guide you in slightly different ways depending on whether or not you have applied the utility netplwiz.

    clemenzina said:
    Would reinstalling Windows10 via Recovery* solve my problem as a last resort? Just asking, it's not something I want to do as it takes so long to get back to full "capacity" and this laptop is 24/7 engaged in doing stuff.
    The procedure in the Tutorial will have you back up and running within twenty minutes and that's including reading time.
    Do not even consider any last resort. You don't need to. Your problem is fairly common and has an established remedy [the Tutorial].

    clemenzina said:
    Whatever, it's going to be a while before I can embark on this, am a quivering wreck.
    Do it when you have the time to spare. I'll get a notification when you post here again and will try to resolve any problems you have.
    - Do bear in mind that some sort of user account corruption has lead to this situation so you would benefit from sorting things out fairly swiftly.

    clemenzina said:
    *I've already been advised to do a System Image but hadn't got around to it - where the heck to put it/keep it so it won't get lost?
    Whilst I have not tried all system imaging applications, I know of none that will run until you have fix your current problem of the Yes button being greyed out.
    - You could usefully back up your own files while you are waiting to fix the problem.
    - We can all take turns to nag you about system images once the current problem has been fixed.

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  8. Bree's Avatar
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    Try3 said:
    Whilst I have not tried all system imaging applications, I know of none that will run until you have fix your current problem of the Yes button being greyed out.
    One way round that dilemma, at least with Macrium Reflect Free, is to install it on another PC and make the usb bootable recovery media. If you can boot the PC from that it can be used to make system images as well as restore them.
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  9. clemenzina's Avatar
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    Try3 said:
    The procedure in the Tutorial will have you back up and running within twenty minutes and that's including reading time.
    I am most likely to take the plunge in the wee small hours when civilised gurus are not available. I'm in a fugue state now. I was trying to edit the tutorial for printing, taking out all the bits that don't apply to me and inserting some spaces - but it's formatted so I had to give up in case it went wrong. I was going to show it to you first. The concern is that the process may time out.

    I normally sign in with my Microsoft account and didn't envisage having to have more than one ID.

    If I make my day-to-day a/c Standard, will I have to log off and back in with an admin a/c to do anything that invokes UAC? That would be awful.

    Try3 said:
    - You could usefully back up your own files while you are waiting to fix the problem.
    My data is all on D-drive, first thing I do with a new laptop is partition the drive. "Data" includes exe files for all my programs.


    Try3 said:
    - We can all take turns to nag you about system images once the current problem has been fixed.
    Denis
    You all have such patience!

    A thought - I find it very strange that when I went into netplwiz and changed the nickname a/c from admin to standard, there was no popup saying "Are you sure? You will have no admin a/c if you do this."
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  10. Try3's Avatar
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    If I make my day-to-day a/c Standard, will I have to log off and back in with an admin a/c to do anything that invokes UAC? That would be awful.
    Create your additional Admin account[s] first, write down password[s] and test it/them - only when you are sure that the new account[s] work should you consider relegating your existing account to a standard one.
    - But don't forget that you have ended up in this position because your existing account has a fault so be aware that it might get worse.

    It is worth having these additional, standby admin accounts ready for use so you know you can get into the system whatever has gone wrong with other accounts.
    - I think most people think it is overkill to have two additional, standby admins and just make a single one.
    - My reasoning is merely that I wanted to be certain I'd have one left even if one had gone wrong without my noticing. Not very persuasive at all.

    No, you won't have to log off then back in. That's the whole point of UAC - whilst we all regard it as a security item, it was originally conceived as a convenience for admins.
    Instead of
    logging a standard user out,
    logging an admin in,
    doing whatever the job is,
    logging the admin out then
    logging the standard user back in
    you just see the admin dialog and approve that [conceptually, the admin dialog is where the admin pushes the user out of the way, enters the admin password and then goes back to sleep].

    A standard user justs sees a different form of the admin prompt

    - an admin user account sees this, the "ConsentUI"
    I now have no Admin a/c-admin-consentui.png
    - a Standard user seees this, the "CredentialUI"
    I now have no Admin a/c-nonadmin-credentialui-cleaned.png

    - a generic term for both "ConsentUI" and "CredentialUI" is "ElevationUI" but everybody says admin prompt / admin dialog / ... . If you use the proper terms you are liable to get somebody asking what on earth you are talking about.

    My data is all on D-drive
    So is mine. I do check that my backups are up to date before any non-standard job needs to be done. I have practised the procedure in the tutorial at least a dozen times and I have never had anything go wrong with my own files but I check the backups anyway.

    there was no popup saying "Are you sure? You will have no admin a/c if you do this."
    When Windows 7 first started, it stopped the user removing the last admin account. But then, presumably after an update, people started reporting the problem that you have experienced and in some cases their reports were detailed enough to show that Windows simply no longer stopped it and did not even provide a warning.

    first thing I do with a new laptop is partition the drive
    I also used to do that but I have since moved on to having two disks in each computer.
    - My latest computer came with two disks
    - My earlier ones had DVD drives which I whipped out and replaced with HDD caddies that fitted into the DVD connections. Looking from the outside, you would not know that anything was different.

    I was trying to edit the tutorial for printing
    I used to just print things like that as they stood and scribbled / crossed out bits as required.
    Since I keep my older computers, I now just print tutorials to pdf and display them on the screen of another computer.

    I am most likely to take the plunge in the wee small hours when civilised gurus are not available
    I try to keep sensible hours so I won't be around in the wee small hours. But I will stay online till almost midnight and will check in to see if you have any more questions.

    I would wish you the best of luck but you won't need any,
    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 09 Feb 2020 at 15:36.
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