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  1. clemenzina's Avatar
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       #11

    The only way I can cope now is by not reading back on anything I've been told, and telling you where I'm at.

    I have followed the tutorial parrot-fashion (coming across a couple of the hiccups you predicted and working around them as you described, thank you!) but have not changed any a/c names or passwords yet. The 2 new IDs have set everything to Windows10 defaults.

    Now, at the log-on screen I am presented with 3 options: the MS ID with my user logo, and the 2 new IDs. I am now logged in with MS ID and have no admin power, so I presume this is the account that has a problem - it may be because, some time before I set the nickname a/c to Standard, I removed what I thought was a "rogue spare" causing me to have to choose a log-on at boot-up, which was a nuisance which arose after I had reinstalled Win10.

    It would be an enormous task to customise one of the new IDs to my existing setup. I use Start10 and Taskbar Tweaker and maybe some other utilities to make the system behave, and use very few of MS's default programs.

    Preferably, I would not have to sign in at all.


    I hope you can solve this fine mess I've got myself into
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  2. Try3's Avatar
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       #12

    OK, so carry on using the user account you want to use and just use the password from one of the new admin user accounts to authorise jobs when CredentialUIs appear [admin prompts, UAC dialogs].

    Using a standard user account for day-to-day computing is the correct way to operate Windows.

    And you can use netplwiz to sign-in to your normal account when you restart your computer. I think you already know how to do this.
    Sign in User Account Automatically - TenForumsTutorials

    Now that you have working admin accounts, I don't know what "mess" you are referring to. I think you have succeeded.

    Denis
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  3. clemenzina's Avatar
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    I tested the UAC "enter password of one of the admin a/cs" by updating a program which had been waiting since I lost admin power.

    That worked for installing the update, but the program forgot that I'd purchased a licence and Edge became my default browser.

    I haven't yet changed the admin accounts' names and passwords, now have to shut down ongoing tasks and do that, back later...
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  4. Try3's Avatar
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       #14

    clemenzina said:
    I tested the UAC "enter password of one of the admin a/cs" by updating a program which had been waiting since I lost admin power.
    Good.

    clemenzina said:
    That worked for installing the update, but the program forgot that I'd purchased a licence and Edge became my default browser.
    There is no logical reason for what you have done to have caused that other than any effect of the update itself. You have not changed anything in your existing user account.

    clemenzina said:
    I haven't yet changed the admin accounts' names and passwords, now have to shut down ongoing tasks and do that, back later...
    Changing an account's name is complex. Changing its password is easy. Don't stay online until your new accounts have decent passwords.

    By the way, you mentioned Start10 and another utility. It will be worth finding out where it stores its settings & data so that you can add them to your backup routine. That will also prepare you if you do ever have to switch to a different user account.

    Denis
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  5. clemenzina's Avatar
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    Try3 said:
    Changing an account's name is complex. Changing its password is easy. Don't stay online until your new accounts have decent passwords.
    Denis
    I've done the passwords, but will have to reconcile to admins being NewAdminEtc for ever, I presume.

    It's a royal pain not even being able to update a driver without signing in as another user.

    I now have no Admin a/c-2020-02-10-11_49_50-device-manager.jpg

    Accessed netplwiz in an Admin ID, and now see the nickname ID. Even tho you consider a Standard a/c to be wiser, could I remake it an admin a/c? I'm not saying I will. This exercise and its consequences are taking a long time to recover from.

    (Very blurry screenshot as I had to take the entire screen in the admin id.)

    I now have no Admin a/c-2020-02-10-11_21_14-netplwiz-screenshot.rtf-wordpad.jpg

    Then my whole taskbar froze in my usual setup, had to use Ctrl-Alt-Delete to reboot and lost work :'( It's just one thing after another !!!

    (When I caused myself this problem I had not long recovered from horrendous problems with ultra-slow picture and video editor responses and malfunctions, unresponsive File Explorer and Task Manager, and lost icons on desktop and taskbar... was on the verge of reinstalling Win10 for a second time - but something nagged at me that it was a Win10 update that had caused it, and sure enough the next update fixed it like magic. But one constantly feels one is on shaky ground these days, it seems only yesterday that one of the big updates bugga'd up my network completely - oh please bring back Windows7 )
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  6. Try3's Avatar
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    It's a royal pain not even being able to update a driver without signing in as another user.
    You can avoid any pain by running Device manager as Admin. Just alter the Properties of whichever shortcut you use to get there or create a shortcut of your own as illustrated -
    I now have no Admin a/c-device-manager-shortcut.png

    will have to reconcile to admins being NewAdminEtc for ever, I presume
    There are TenForumsTutorials on the subject if you ever decide that it is worth the effort. Personally, it would remain at the bottom of my priorities list just below the odd jobs I was going to do in June 1989.

    Win10 update
    Yes, I'm currently suffering from problems with File explorer search and have to keep rebuilding my index to cope. I could revert from Version 1909 to Version 1903 instead but I'll just wait & hope.

    not long recovered from horrendous problems with ...
    ultra-slow picture and video editor responses and malfunctions
    Are all your drivers up-to-date?
    Are there any warning symbols or 'Unknown device' entries in Device manager's individal sections? [expand each one in turn to look]
    Are there any entries in Device manager's 'Other devices' section? ['Other devices' is a euphemism for not having any suitable drivers so, in a perfect world, there is no 'Other devices' section at all]

    unresponsive File Explorer and Task Manager
    Does this also happen in Safe mode?
    Have you run SFC-DISM?

    Denis
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  7. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #17

    Personally, I would just upgrade the original account to an administrator again and be done with it. Simplest solution there is.
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  8. clemenzina's Avatar
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       #18

    Try3 said:
    Personally, it would remain at the bottom of my priorities list just below the odd jobs I was going to do in June 1989.


    Try3 said:
    Yes, I'm currently suffering from problems with File explorer search and have to keep rebuilding my index to cope. I could revert from Version 1909 to Version 1903 instead but I'll just wait & hope.

    Are all your drivers up-to-date?
    Are there any warning symbols or 'Unknown device' entries in Device manager's individal sections? [expand each one in turn to look]
    Are there any entries in Device manager's 'Other devices' section? ['Other devices' is a euphemism for not having any suitable drivers so, in a perfect world, there is no 'Other devices' section at all]

    Does this also happen in Safe mode?
    Have you run SFC-DISM?

    Denis
    1909 must be for Insiders?
    Yes, drivers were all up-to-date, no probs in Device Mgr, ran sfc /scannow but didn't know about DISM. No, the problems started with a Win10 update and (IIRC) were not fixed until 2 updates later. It was hell.

    (You've reminded me of another utility, it gets rid of a lot of carp from File Explorer. I know one can edit the Registry rather than use utilities, but I would only do that in extremis and am careful to get trusted ones.)

    You are so much nicer than Denis, NavyLCDR - he's trying to make a judicious Windows user out of me
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  9. Try3's Avatar
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       #19

    No, Verson 1909 has been on general release for quite some time now but it does not really have anything to offer. I assume you know that you can use the command WinVer in a command prompt to check your Version & Build.
    - I am on Windows 10 Home x64 Version 1909 Build 18363.592

    If, like many of us including me, you choose to make your day-to-day user account an Admin one despite MS's recommendations then do set your UAC to its maximum level [its default is one step down from the maximum].
    Control panel, User accounts, Change UAC settings
    - A lot of malware is capable of infiltrating a signed-in Admin account if UAC is at its default setting
    - Despite claims a few years ago, that might have been fixed with a Windows update, there is no evidence that any malware can penetrate a signed-in Admin account if UAC is at max

    Denis
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  10. clemenzina's Avatar
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       #20

    I see that 1909 is an optional update waiting to be downloaded/installed. I've left it thus, having had enough digressions for today

    Try3 said:
    If, like many of us including me, you choose to make your day-to-day user account an Admin one despite MS's recommendations then do set your UAC to its maximum level [its default is one step down from the maximum].
    Control panel, User accounts, Change UAC settings
    Denis
    Done !!!

    Thank you!
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