Should Know This But Would Kindly Ask For Guidance Re: Accounts


  1. Posts : 554
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       #1

    Should Know This But Would Kindly Ask For Guidance Re: Accounts


    New computer will be arriving shortly. This is what I want to do. Open to all suggestions. At first boot I want to create a login account which if I am not mistaken is different from a Local or Standard Account and an Administrative account.

    I will be hitting the power button NOT CONNECTED to the Internet.

    So I want to log into the computer with login account called "abc" with password "def". I know I need to enter "skip" a lot of steps to do this.

    I then want to create a local/ standard account and an admin account.

    Let's say I want my local account which I will be using for 95% of the time to be:

    [email protected]

    And my admin account to be:

    [email protected]

    And lets say further that I have already created these gmail accounts and I have been able to log in to those gmail accounts.

    So now what do I do. I connect to the Internet. I go to Control Panel and User Accounts. I am hoping that there are no accounts there but something tells me that that first login account that I created "login account called "abc" with password "def" is going to be there. Is that right? And if so does the computer think that that simple login account is my admin account?

    So just to be clear I want to log in to my computer with the "login account called "abc" with password "def"and then set up a local/ standard account called [email protected] and an admin acct called [email protected].

    How would I do this and is my thinking ass backwards : )

    P.S. I know that I can not use admin in and admin account.
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    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 20H2 Build 19042.928
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    Sorry to be boring but your terminology needs correcting first.

    There are
    - Local accounts [which exist only on the computer concerned], and
    - there are MS Accounts [online accounts that are used on the computer in conjunction with, for example, your gmail accounts].

    There are
    - Standard user accounts [that can only change things within that user's area], and
    - Admin user accounts [that can change things affecting several users or even many aspects of Windows itself].

    A Local account can be Standard or it can be Admin.
    An MSAccount can be Standard or it can be Admin.

    There is no such thing as a "login account". Whichever type of user account you have, you will need to log in to it.

    I will now have another read through your post but I wanted to get these facts clear first.

    Denis
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    Try3 said:
    Sorry to be boring but your terminology needs correcting first.

    There are
    - Local accounts [which exist only on the computer concerned], and
    - there are MS Accounts [online accounts that are used on the computer in conjunction with, for example, your gmail accounts].

    There are
    - Standard user accounts [that can only change things within that user's area], and
    - Admin user accounts [that can change things affecting several users or even many aspects of Windows itself].

    A Local account can be Standard or it can be Admin.
    An MSAccount can be Standard or it can be Admin.

    There is no such thing as a "login account". Whichever type of user account you have, you will need to log in to it.

    I will now have another read through your post but I wanted to get these facts clear first.

    Denis
    >Sorry to be boring but your terminology needs correcting first.

    Not at all boring. I am just grateful that someone kind of understands : ) what I want to do

    >I will now have another read through your post but I wanted to get these facts clear first.

    Thanks. I am trying to be as clear as possible but perhaps I am not doing a good job. I want to boot the computer the first time without Internet. So in order to get to the desktop I am going to use as mentioned above login info login account called "abc" with password "def" That I assume will get me to the desktop which as you point out will be a Local Account

    Then I want to have two accounts. One standard and one admin.

    >A Local account can be Standard or it can be Admin.
    An MSAccount can be Standard or it can be Admin.

    This is what is confusing the heck out of me : )

    So that first acct that I am creating is a Local account "abc" and that local acct can be standard or admin. So my premise of making that "abc" log in account is wrong. That is actually a Local account. So probably I want to end up with that first "log in" account "abc" and make that a Standard acct. Right?

    And then I can go into Accounts and make an admin acct and in my example in the original post I used
    [email protected]

    Does that Standard acct the first one "abc" does that have to be associated with an email acct? In other words when I boot the computer for the first time instead of "abc" should it be "[email protected]?

    Thanks so much. I hope I have cleared this up some : )

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  4. Try3's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 20H2 Build 19042.928
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    1 When you first boot your computer, you will be forced to create a user account.
    2 That user account will be an Admin account [but Windows does not bother telling you that at the time].
    3 You can choose to create a Local account or an MSAccount. I always make sure I create a Local account at this stage.
    4 It may not always be obvious how to make sure the account you are creating is a Local account but when I last installed Windows 10 from scratch I found that being offline, as you intend to be, ensures that you will make a Local account [it is apparently more difficult to get at this choice if you are connected to the internet at the time].
    5 Do use a decent password. I can only speak for myself here - I always use a password of at least 18 characters and I always use a mixture of keyboard letters, numbers, punctuation marks & symbols.

    6 When you have finished booting, you can create additional user accounts [Settings, Accounts].
    - At this stage I always create two additional password-protected Local Admin accounts.
    - I always log into one of them as a test.
    - This means that, in addition to the original account that you first created and that you will be using for day-to-day computing, you have two Admin accounts for such tasks as installing applications. The reason for creating two is that accounts can become corrupted so the second one is just a spare that you might never use.
    - I write down every password on a piece of paper which I keep secure. This is simpler than creating a thing called a "Password reset disk" and is every bit as effective. PRDs are only applicable to Local accounts by the way.
    - When that is all done I ought to downgrade my day-to-day account to a Standard user account because it is a more secure way of working. I don't bother but I know I should.

    7 With all this done, I can consider converting my day-to-day account into an MSAccount [online account]. Personally, I do not do so because I have not found any benefit in doing so. You would need to be connected to the internet to do this properly.

    8 It is then quite easy to set the computer to bypass the need to enter the password every time you start the computer. The tool for this is called NetPlWiz and it allows you to enter your day-to-day account automatically. Do note that avoiding the password stage means you will forget what the password is so you cannot afford to lose that piece of paper.

    I think that covers all the issues raised by your post. If not then do post back.

    Denis
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  5. Posts : 554
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    Thread Starter
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    Try3 said:
    1 When you first boot your computer, you will be forced to create a user account.
    2 That user account will be an Admin account [but Windows does not bother telling you that at the time].
    3 You can choose to create a Local account or an MSAccount. I always make sure I create a Local account at this stage.
    4 It may not always be obvious how to make sure the account you are creating is a Local account but when I last installed Windows 10 from scratch I found that being offline, as you intend to be, ensures that you will make a Local account [it is apparently more difficult to get at this choice if you are connected to the internet at the time].
    5 Do use a decent password. I can only speak for myself here - I always use a password of at least 18 characters and I always use a mixture of keyboard letters, numbers, punctuation marks & symbols.

    6 When you have finished booting, you can create additional user accounts [Settings, Accounts].
    - At this stage I always create two additional password-protected Local Admin accounts.
    - I always log into one of them as a test.
    - This means that, in addition to the original account that you first created and that you will be using for day-to-day computing, you have two Admin accounts for such tasks as installing applications. The reason for creating two is that accounts can become corrupted so the second one is just a spare that you might never use.
    - I write down every password on a piece of paper which I keep secure. This is simpler than creating a thing called a "Password reset disk" and is every bit as effective. PRDs are only applicable to Local accounts by the way.
    - When that is all done I ought to downgrade my day-to-day account to a Standard user account because it is a more secure way of working. I don't bother but I know I should.

    7 With all this done, I can consider converting my day-to-day account into an MSAccount [online account]. Personally, I do not do so because I have not found any benefit in doing so. You would need to be connected to the internet to do this properly.

    8 It is then quite easy to set the computer to bypass the need to enter the password every time you start the computer. The tool for this is called NetPlWiz and it allows you to enter your day-to-day account automatically. Do note that avoiding the password stage means you will forget what the password is so you cannot afford to lose that piece of paper.

    I think that covers all the issues raised by your post. If not then do post back.

    Denis
    Wow. Thanks so much. I believe even I understood how you explained it : ) I will re-read again tonight after work and post back should I have any further questions. Thanks for the explanation and dumbing it down for me.
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  6. Try3's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 20H2 Build 19042.928
       #6

    I have now seen your second & third posts [you type quicker than I do].

    The Local/MSAccount difference is about where that account is defined - on the computer or online.
    The Standard/Admin account difference is about the level of access the account has around your computer.

    Your first user account [abc], the one you created during the first boot, is a Local Admin account.
    The term "log in" account does not mean anything. There is no such name used for any account.

    abc does not have to be associated with any online account. No account has to be. You can choose whether or not to do that.

    I hope that covers your additional questions but please feel free to keep posting back for any clarification or further information. That's what this user-to-user forum is for.

    Denis
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