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  1. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10 pro
       2015-08-18 #150

    mostyello said: View Post
    ...1. change Group Policy to option 2 (as per Brink's tutorial)
    2. to scan for new updates manually use Run “UsoClient.exe StartScan”. do NOT use Windows update to check for updates – this will force download/install of all. (as per werby’s post)
    3. run wushowhide.diagcab for option to “hide” selected updates. (as per Brink’s tutorial)
    4. return to Windows Update in Settings, review list of updates to be installed (verify items hidden in step 3 are not present), click Download – finally....
    Absolutely right!

    Note: If you hide update(s) using "wushowhide.diagcab", then you must run the "UsoClient.exe StartScan" command again, for "Windows Update" panel to be refreshed and updated about hiding.
    And of course, you can pin the "UsoClient.exe StartScan" shortcut wherever you like.

    Regards!
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  2. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 6
    Windows 10
       2015-08-18 #151

    werby said: View Post
    Note: If you hide update(s) using "wushowhide.diagcab", then you must run the "UsoClient.exe StartScan" command again, for "Windows Update" panel to be refreshed and updated about hiding.
    I'll check this again tonight, but after using "wushowhide.diagcab" to hide some drivers last night I didn't see the hidden items in the Windows Update list without running UsoClient.exe StartScan. Are you thinking they might get installed even if they aren't on the list, or if they're not on the update list then we're good to go?

    ___
    Here's to hoping Microsoft will provide an easier solution.
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  3. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 147
    Windows 10 x64
       2015-08-18 #152

    Just FYI: I can't find the article now, but there was an interview done around November-ish of last year, and the stated reason that Microsoft dislikes users picking updates is that skipping an update, for example, could cause unexpected behavior.

    Example: let's say that Microsoft released Update 1, then released Update 2, and finally released Update 3. According to that interview, Microsoft is testing Update 1 when it's released, Update 1 and 2 when Update 2 is released, and Update 1 and 2 and 3 when Update 3 is released. They are no longer testing the combination of only Update 1 and Update 3, the combination of only Update 2 and Update 3, the combination of no Update 1 or 2 and only 3, etc.

    Delaying updates (or just plain disabling updates entirely) is not an really an issue because at least you are not changing the order of the applied updates; you're just postponing when they are applied.

    In the interview, they said they want to do this to reduce the amount of testing required because competitors, like Google, don't have to deal with the possibility of users skipping updates.
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  4. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10 pro
       2015-08-18 #153

    mostyello said: View Post
    ... Are you thinking they might get installed even if they aren't on the list, or if they're not on the update list then we're good to go?...
    If you don't see hidden update(s) on Windows Update list, you can go on with Download.
    But if you see them, you must run UsoClient.exe StartScan.

    THANK YOU for your kind words!!!
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  5. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 6
    Windows 10
       2015-08-18 #154

    jfreemont said: View Post
    ...In the interview, they said they want to do this to reduce the amount of testing required because competitors, like Google, don't have to deal with the possibility of users skipping updates.
    Good post jfreemont.
    I can see where they're coming from. It's a competitive arena. Especially when you are competing with the likes of Apple and with their updates you always get all or nothing. Of course, there is a reason I own a PC and others own a MAC. I want a custom experience and others want an OOBE. I hope Microsoft continues to include the things I like about using their OS.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 69
    windows 10
       2015-08-24 #155

    Brink said: View Post
    Hello DRFP,

    Sure, disabling the "Windows Update" service will work, but it will also completely disable Windows Update. You won't be able to check for or download updates unless you enable and start the service again.

    Just depends on if one is willing to do that or not.
    Update. this works really well with home version, I created a short cut to processes and reenable and have been able to update and then turn off after.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 69
    windows 10
       2015-08-24 #156

    jfreemont said: View Post
    Just FYI: I can't find the article now, but there was an interview done around November-ish of last year, and the stated reason that Microsoft dislikes users picking updates is that skipping an update, for example, could cause unexpected behavior.

    Example: let's say that Microsoft released Update 1, then released Update 2, and finally released Update 3. According to that interview, Microsoft is testing Update 1 when it's released, Update 1 and 2 when Update 2 is released, and Update 1 and 2 and 3 when Update 3 is released. They are no longer testing the combination of only Update 1 and Update 3, the combination of only Update 2 and Update 3, the combination of no Update 1 or 2 and only 3, etc.

    Delaying updates (or just plain disabling updates entirely) is not an really an issue because at least you are not changing the order of the applied updates; you're just postponing when they are applied.

    In the interview, they said they want to do this to reduce the amount of testing required because competitors, like Google, don't have to deal with the possibility of users skipping updates.
    But postponing updates can put the time you update in your hands, I update when I have a day off or two so I can fix what does not work, I do not want an update to screw up my computer when I need it. Apple auto updates and render a phone or tablet unusable sometimes
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 16,590
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14986
       2015-08-25 #157

    DRFP said: View Post
    Update. this works really well with home version, I created a short cut to processes and reenable and have been able to update and then turn off after.
    Great news.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 147
    Windows 10 x64
       2015-09-05 #158

    I just noticed that even with updates completely disabled using Group Policy, definition updates are still being automatically downloaded and installed for Windows Defender -- which I need to not happen. That's despite the fact that Windows Update says that "last checked" was over 5 days ago. Has anyone else noticed this behavior?
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  10. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 4
    10
       2015-09-08 #159

    Greetings.

    I live in a rural area with 4G verizon signal. My sole internet access is a verizon jetpack. Monthly bandwidth allowance is 20gb. The jet pack only allows 5 clients at one time.

    I have a total of 8 laptops/tablets/phones that share the jetpack. It's pretty easy: just shut off a device or click airplane mode when you need to free up a slot on the jetpack.

    I also have 3 desktops. They are connected by ethernet cable toa gateway DD-WRT router. The gateway router is a single client on the jetpack. It works great.

    I upgraded the desktops to 10 Home.

    Because of my 20gb limit, I need to carefully regulate Automatic Updates, especially with freshly upgraded desktops. So I'm glad i found this thread.

    10 Home doesn't have gpedit capability.

    Because my desktops are networked via cable, Idon't have access to a "Wi-Fi" tab under Network & InternetSettings. It's just not there. So it seems like I cannot use the metered connection setting to set my desktops as Metered so that Automatic Updates are disabled. (Am i missing something?)

    Therefore, I disabled Windows Update Service.

    My plan is to allow only one of the fresh 10Home desktops to update online, and then utilize the "Get Updates from more than one place" function to allow the other desktops to get their updates from the first one.

    If this works, the basic approach would be to power off 2 desktops, turn on the jetpack, and let Windows do it's thing. Then, power off the jetpack, power on the other 2 desktops, and let them update from the 1st desktop via network. Will this work?

    Other questions:
    Is disabling Windows Update Service a reliably effective method of preventing PC's from auto-updating if they are online?

    When internet (jetpack) is turned off, is there a way to force un-updated PC's to commence updating overnight via network connection to an updated PC?

    Is "Homegroup" required for the Win10 "updates from other network PC's" to function properly?
    Note: I was able to easily establish network communication between the fresh 10 desktops by using the old-style workgroup setting, but i haven't yet had any success with the homegroup function. It just doesn't seem to work. Maybe it will work better after updates, but i need to achieve those updates via personal home network to avoid using half my monthly data plan in one night just updated my desktops. Hope that makes sense. Is simple networking an adequate comms connection for sharing updates, or is homegroup also required?

    Bonus question: thumbs.db.
    I have read that gpedit can be used to disable the thumbs.db file creation. I have also read how regedit could disable thumbs.db in Win7 and Win 8. Unfortunately, that register key is gone in Win 10 Home. Does anyone know how to disable the thumbs process for image folders in Win10?
    Why do i want to turn it off? Because my wife and kids use digital cameras and phones. As is common in the digital age, they take millions of photos. We all want a nice family archive of good photos, but everyone knows that when you dump photos to your home network for sorting and archiving, only 15% of the photos are worth keeping. So what we do is we dump cameras and phones to "raw" image folders, then we sort out the keepers and delete the rest, then we transfer the keepers to cleaned folders in the permanent archive. Thumbs.db files frustrate this process of simple file management by constantly nagging the user about whether they are sure they want to move, copy, or delete a thumbs.db file file because it is a "system" file. I hate it. I want to turn it off. I don't want to use "View/Options/Always show icons, never thumbnails" because thumbnails are actually very useful. What i want to do is disable the windows function that makes a quickie thumbnail file (thumbs.db) of all images in a folder and stores it in each folder so that the thumbs can be generated 0.004 seconds faster every time the folder is opened. i don't need to save that .004 seconds, and i don't need the thumbs.db file that allows me to save that .004 seconds. Anyone know how to make it stop in Win 10 Home?

    Thanks!
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