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  1.    06 Sep 2017 #830
    Join Date : Mar 2017
    Gembrook, Victoria
    Posts : 18
    Windows 10 Insider preview

    Hi Kari
    Please do not take this the wrong way.

    I used a DVD-R burnt from an ISO of Build 16281, to install a clean windows 10 Pro on a raw SSD drive.
    later when I tried to do a system image of completely set up PC, I received an error message telling me that one of the partitions on the new drive was a fat32 partition, so system image could not continue.

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    I am trying to find out if this creation of a fat 32 partition is a weakness in the original build 16281.
    or is it something caused by the way UUP to ISO creates the ISO from the ESD files ?

    I have sent feedback to Microsoft insider program, hoping for some reply there.
    but can we check this EFI partition created on my drive is not a flaw in UUP to ISO ?

    Regards
    Bernie Vink
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  2.    06 Sep 2017 #831
    Join Date : Dec 2015
    Posts : 5,841
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernievink View Post
    Hi Kari
    Please do not take this the wrong way.

    I used a DVD-R burnt from an ISO of Build 16281, to install a clean windows 10 Pro on a raw SSD drive.
    later when I tried to do a system image of completely set up PC, I received an error message telling me that one of the partitions on the new drive was a fat32 partition, so system image could not continue.

    Name:  Capture.JPG
Views: 139
Size:  65.4 KB

    I am trying to find out if this creation of a fat 32 partition is a weakness in the original build 16281.
    or is it something caused by the way UUP to ISO creates the ISO from the ESD files ?

    I have sent feedback to Microsoft insider program, hoping for some reply there.
    but can we check this EFI partition created on my drive is not a flaw in UUP to ISO ?

    Regards
    Bernie Vink

    We recommend using Macrium Reflect Free to do image backups as MS have stated they are deprecating system image backups now, and advise using 3rd party tools.

    I doubt MRF will fail.
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  3.    07 Sep 2017 #832
    Join Date : Jan 2017
    Turku
    Posts : 1,768
    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernievink View Post
    I am trying to find out if this creation of a fat 32 partition is a weakness in the original build 16281.
    or is it something caused by the way UUP to ISO creates the ISO from the ESD files ?
    There's nothing wrong with the tool.

    In your case ALL partitions looks exactly as they should, since you are using GPT partition scheme. The FAT32 partition must exist, or your system won't boot at all.

    Update: only thing not quite right is the location of the recovery partition, which should be in the end of your HDD.

    Read this MS article/Blog: Desktop Manufacturing - UEFI/GPT-based hard drive partitions
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  4.    07 Sep 2017 #833
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    Gembrook, Victoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    the only thing not quite right is the location of the recovery partition, which should be in the end of your HDD.Read this MS article/Blog: Desktop Manufacturing - UEFI/GPT-based hard drive partitions
    I know but I did not create these partitions Build 16281 did.
    as the Fat32 partition is a must or no boot, I guess a new imaging program will have to do.
    I have been relying on MS system image for approx 10 years and so far (touch wood) it has never failed me.
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  5.    07 Sep 2017 #834
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernievink View Post
    ...I guess a new imaging program will have to do...
    Yes, exactly as MS is recommending!

    Download Macrium Reflect Free. It's very powerful.
    Last edited by slicendice; 07 Sep 2017 at 01:11. Reason: Added link to Macrium
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  6.    07 Sep 2017 #835
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    A Finnish expat in Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernievink View Post
    Please do not take this the wrong way.
    No problems, you have an issue and post about it, how could I take it wrong?

    Anyway, I have not used Windows own backup in about 10 years. As so many other geeks here at TF, I rely on Macrium Reflect.

    Having said that, your issue has nothing to do with UUPtoISO tool or your install media made using it. Your screenshot shows you have a default partitioning scheme, system disk partitioned by Windows setup exactly as it should be. A 499 MB WinRE partition (must be NTFS), followed by 100 MB EFI system partition (must be FAT32), and a 16 MB MSR partition (Microsoft Reserved, not formatted), and finally Windows partition.

    That is how it should be, how Windows setup partitions system disk on UEFI / GPT machines. Windows native imaging cannot create an image from a GPT formatted disk, exactly because of the error you got: the EFI partition is FAT32, and you cannot even exclude it from backup. As screenshot shows, the selection box is greyed out, it really can't be excluded:
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    Windows Backup and Imaging can only be used to backup BIOS / MBR machines. In your case you need to use a third party backup tool.


    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    Update: only thing not quite right is the location of the recovery partition, which should be in the end of your HDD.
    That is something that has always puzzled me: Microsoft recommends placing the WinRE partition after C: drive (EFI, MSR, Windows, WinRE), but if you install Windows 10 on a UEFI machine letting Windows setup do the partitioning, the WinRE will be placed as volume 1, first partition (WinRE, EFI, MSR, Windows).

    That's why I use a DISKPART script to partition system disk whenever clean installing Windows on a UEFI / GPT system. Here's a sample DISKPART script:

    Code:
    rem DISKPART script, all available space to C:partition
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Select Disk 0, wipe it empty, convert to GPT
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert gpt
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Create & format 100 MB EFI System partition 
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    create partition efi size=100
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Create 16 MB MSR partition (will not be formatted)
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    create partition msr size=16
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Create Windows partition using all available space
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    create partition primary
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Shrink Windows partition to make space for WinRE 
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    shrink minimum=450
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Format Windows partition, label it, no drive letter
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Create & format 450 MB recovery partition 
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="WinRE"
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    rem Exit Diskpart 
    rem ---------------------------------------------------
    exit

    To run above script, boot from Windows 10 install media, press SHIFT + F10 to open Command Prompt, run following command replacing Z:\DiskConfig.txt with actual path to your script:

    DISKPART /s Z:\DiskConfig.txt

    Close Command Prompt and proceed with Windows Setup.

    Kari
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  7.    07 Sep 2017 #836
    Join Date : Mar 2017
    Gembrook, Victoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    No problems, you have an issue and post about it, how could I take it wrong?
    Windows Backup and Imaging can only be used to backup BIOS / MBR machines. In your case you need to use a third party backup tool.
    Kari
    Thank you Kari and all the other helpful people.
    I guess all the machines I have set up over the years have been MBR as this was my first failure (GPT system)
    I will try both Acronis and Macrium and see which I like best.

    Bernie
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  8.    07 Sep 2017 #837
    Join Date : Dec 2015
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    Windows10

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernievink View Post
    Thank you Kari and all the other helpful people.
    I guess all the machines I have set up over the years have been MBR as this was my first failure (GPT system)
    I will try both Acronis and Macrium and see which I like best.

    Bernie
    Macrium Reflect Free is free, and is fine for most users requirements.

    Acronis is not.

    Forum members here overwhelmingly prefer Macrium and many great tutorials on it by @Kari in tutorial section.

    I actually paid for Macrium Reflect Home as it has Rapid Delta Restore.
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  9.    07 Sep 2017 #838
    Join Date : Jan 2017
    Turku
    Posts : 1,768
    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernievink View Post
    I will try both Acronis and Macrium and see which I like best.
    In the OLD days, I used to use Acronis and similar, but now I prefer Macrium, because it's FREE and much better in every way, in my opinion. If you need more features than the free edition can offer then do as @cereberus did and purchase a HOME license. Then you have a really powerful backup tool.
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  10.    07 Sep 2017 #839
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 10,415
    W10 Insider + Linux

    I don't know if they fixed it but Acronis had problems with UEFI.
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