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  1.    01 Jul 2017 #750
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Wow! That's a lot of distraction! Glad you got the ISO made at least.

    Yes, they have a ways to go with UUP method. Although I can see where it saves data for metered connections, but UUP sure seems to slow down the update/upgrade process.

    I have Update Delivery Optimization set to download/upload to other PCs on the Internet. It seems to download quick. It's the initializing segment that is machine resource dependent on how quickly it finds files needed for the upgrade. I noticed members with older systems updating VMs take the longest, let alone VMs themselves. It took Kado/Keith 7 hours to update.

    Windows Update Delivery Optimization: FAQ

    I have a metered connection, but I'll hardly eat up my limit, so I have it set to download anyway. That option may not apply here.

    I think this is the latest on UUP from MS:

    An update on our Unified Update Platform (UUP) - Windows Experience BlogWindows Experience Blog
    Major updates take place only twice a year for non-insiders, I don't think a GB or two during whole year would make much of a dent in size limited internet plans. Not for desktop or laptop users anyway. For phones and mobile internet users may present more of a problem as those internet connections plans are more size limited but updates/upgrades on those devices are much smaller. There's also a way to postpone update/upgrade to more convenient time when it's more convenient, usually during beginning or end of billing period.
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  2.    01 Jul 2017 #751
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Yes, they have a ways to go with UUP method. Although I can see where it saves data for metered connections, but UUP sure seems to slow down the update/upgrade process.
    Read the reply I got in Twitter:

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  3.    01 Jul 2017 #752
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Read the reply I got in Twitter:

    Thanks, Kari! Clears that right up!
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  4.    01 Jul 2017 #753
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Read the reply I got in Twitter:
    Thanks for sharing, Kari. That guy explains a lot!

    I've been scrubbing the net to understand exactly how this method works. Not much there.

    Does "This has to do with migration of setup actions to online" mean the "Initializing" phase at first? If so, is this where the process is searching for the needed files for upgrading?

    I did find this thread rather interesting. Your UUP to ISO tutorial is referenced there.

    UUP - what an incredibly awfully written process!

    I created a freshly formatted 50 GB partition on a hard drive, then clean installed 16215 from a DVD in 18 minutes.* I left Windows with nothing else installed and then started the update to 16226.* Just getting through until it was ready to do the first restart took 1 hour 50 min.* I could write a better update program in my sleep!*
    *Obviously UUP is going back to the HDD to see what needs to be updated next at each step when it could keep a table in memory with the status of EVERY Windows file in about 600 MEG (that's 0.6 GB you know).* There are well under 150,000 total files in Windows 10 Pro, so that's 4 bytes per file in 0.6 GB.* This 1st stage of the update runs in 2.5 GB when most of us have 8 GB in 64 bit systems.* That means 5.5 GB of RAM are unused while UUP is beating the poor hard drive to death.
    UUP - what an incredibly awfully written process - Microsoft Community

    LOL! "While UUP is beating my poor hard drive to death".
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  5.    08 Jul 2017 #754
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    I quote a question and my reply in another thread to make this thing clear to UUPtoISO users:


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rogerwilco91 View Post
    This is frustrating. For the last 5 builds or so, I have been trying to create my own ISOs, but I have failed when I use the UUPtoISO tool by getting a message similar to the one seen below:

    My process of creating the ISO goes something like this:
    1. download the UUP folder through my VM using Windows Update like normal
    2. Copy the UUP folder to my host computer
    3. Run UUPtoISO on the UUP folder located on the host computer (not VM, I do this because I think the performance would be significantly degraded if I run UUPtoISO on the VM)
    4. If ISO created successfully, burn the ISO to my flash drive using Rufus


    My guess is that somewhere in step 2, in the copying process, some folders aren't getting copied over properly, hence this error. Is that correct?

    What can I do to correct this error?

    Much thanks TF!

    If I had known about your workflow earlier when you have told you fail with UUPtoISO, we could have solved your issue a few builds ago.

    You can't copy the UUP folder to another computer to make an ISO, you must do it on the machine where upgrade was downloaded, initialized and prepared. Your ISO making will fail when trying to use UUP files from another computer, be it a physical or virtual machine.

    You must run UUPtoISO on your virtual machine, then when done copy the ISO to host.

    Kari
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  6.    08 Jul 2017 #755
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Thanks for sharing, Kari. That guy explains a lot!

    I've been scrubbing the net to understand exactly how this method works. Not much there.

    Does "This has to do with migration of setup actions to online" mean the "Initializing" phase at first? If so, is this where the process is searching for the needed files for upgrading?

    I did find this thread rather interesting. Your UUP to ISO tutorial is referenced there.



    UUP - what an incredibly awfully written process - Microsoft Community

    LOL! "While UUP is beating my poor hard drive to death".
    UUP is not doing any more than any other kind of update would, maybe a bit more at the beginning while it checks what to update but this time it finished in 3 minutes flat.
    I followed system parameters while UUP to ISO was working and it's using resources wisely. It's nicely multi-threaded using all cores and threads equally, memory in moderation and disk is sufficiently used to speed up process but leave all resources free enough to do other work.
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  7.    08 Jul 2017 #756
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    UUP is not doing any more than any other kind of update would, maybe a bit more at the beginning while it checks what to update but this time it finished in 3 minutes flat.
    I followed system parameters while UUP to ISO was working and it's using resources wisely. It's nicely multi-threaded using all cores and threads equally, memory in moderation and disk is sufficiently used to speed up process but leave all resources free enough to do other work.
    Thanks for that, Count. I meant to, but was tired and forgot to watch during yesterdays update. Even forgot to grab the ESD file for the ISO. Oh well. There's another build eventually.
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  8.    08 Jul 2017 #757
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    Couldn't get that to do anything, but alt+49 = 1. Right numeric keypad only. Complete list here:


    Special Characters Alt Keyboard Sequences
    Worked here, but process Errors and likely the Build 16199 problem. Tried to download fix exe, but Chrome blocks. Will try other possibilities.
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  9.    08 Jul 2017 #758
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    @tracit99 I brought this over to this thread so to be more on topic.

    Firstly, thank you for your gracious, tactful way of correcting me if Iím wrong. An attitude not shown by a few members here recently, sorry to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by tracit99 View Post
    @HippsieGypsie
    You are aware that now there is no single ESD from WU that can be used to create an ISO. That was the old way. Now it is all about UUP files and there are many (some of which are .esd files). I just wanted to clarify this especially for new users.
    Iím quoting from Kariís tutorial here. Step 2.2 to be exact.

    2.2) In File Explorer, search for ext:esd to find all ESD files. Only one of the subfolders of C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download contains ESD files (extension .esd). So called express UUP upgrade has only one ESD file, canonical UUP upgrades can have 10+ ESD files. Regardless of how many ESD files your search finds, they are all stored in same subfolder, the one containing necessary files to make an ISO image

    Usually upgrades are differential (express) only containing one ESD file as in this example. Search for ESD files finds one file in folder staring with 5721f7. Right click it and select Open file location to open folder we need:
    I am familiar with the older ESD to ISO method/process. I realize there are many files involved with the UUP download method of which downloads only those files needed to update, then creates a needed .esd files of all the files needed.

    I somewhat understand UUP to ISO process, save how the executable program works other than gathering up the needed files for the ISO. Correct me if Iím wrong, but according to Kariís tutorial here in 2.2 step we are to search for one .esd file namely the one beginning with digits 5721f7, which if I understand correctly is a compressed .esd file containing all the files needed for the ISO.

    Some have reported (of which Kari cautioned) that they were able to grab the .esd file before installation was complete. I thought maybe by chance that would work for the new member. At that point I overlooked that he had 2 other machines already upgraded to grab the files, of which I wouldnít know how to anyway since Iíve never performed that .old folder nab for UUP to ISO. If you could, Iíd appreciate if you would point me in the right direction to learn that method.

    MS has not totally abandoned the old ESD method (the ESD type that can be converted into an ISO). Most notably this type of ESD is currently used by the Media Creation Tool.
    Again, yes I know, but only for those ISOs released, which for Insiders is a build for Bug Bash. Made many of them.
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  10.    08 Jul 2017 #759
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    Hi,

    Had a reply ready for you but IE crashed once again.
    Basically, and with respect, you're misinformed on a number of points.
    The important one is to use the files in the folder containing the .esd right before Windows invites you to restart to finish the update.
    If not the these files can be found under Windows.old. Either copy or copy shortcuts to the UUP subfolder of UuptoIso and proceed creating the ISO.

    The .esd created by MCT is of a different type and won't work with UuptoIso at all.

    Cheers,
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