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  1. Dino Rider
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    Windows 10 Pro & Home
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    f14tomcat - thanks


    Thanks for the info. After running out of space several times which caused my backups to fail, I deleted all of my backup sets and re-created my backup definitions using the options you suggested. I also split my backups into separate jobs which allowed them to each run quickly. Since I scheduled all the backups to run in the wee hours of the morning I didn't care how long they took. So I specified "High" compression.

    Having done all that, I just wondered in Macrium allowed a destination drive to be "compressed" and if that would save me any more space. I am remembering some other backup software telling me that it didn't allow the destination drive to be compressed because it couldn't find individual files on a compressed drive.

    Even after all that, my free space is rapidly being used. After only four days, I'm down to 238 GB. Go figure.
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  2. Bree
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    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
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    Dino Rider said:
    ... just wondered in Macrium allowed a destination drive to be "compressed" and if that would save me any more space....

    There is a limit to how much data can be compressed. With Macrium set for 'Maximum compression' there would be little or no benefit in compressing the destination drive.

    I am remembering some other backup software telling me that it didn't allow the destination drive to be compressed because it couldn't find individual files on a compressed drive.

    That was probably Windows own built in 'create a system image'. One of it's (many) limitations was that it cannot use a compressed destination drive. It's little wonder that Microsoft deprecated it over three years ago and recommend you use something else.

    Microsoft said:
    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.


    Even after all that, my free space is rapidly being used. After only four days, I'm down to 238 GB.

    Are you doing a Full backup each time? You can save a lot of space by doing a Differential backup. After the first Full image a Differential image will contain only the changes since the Full image was made. To restore an image you would need the Full image and one Differential.

    Differential images are available in Reflect Free, but if you have a paid version you can use Incremental images. After the initial Full image each incremental only includes the changes since the previous one, so can be even smaller than Differentials. To restore an image you would need the Full and all subsequent Incrementals.
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  3. cereberus
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    Bree said:
    There is a limit to how much data can be compressed. With Macrium set for 'Maximum compression' there would be little or no benefit in compressing the destination drive.




    That was probably Windows own built in 'create a system image'. One of it's (many) limitations was that it cannot use a compressed destination drive. It's little wonder that Microsoft deprecated it over three years ago and recommend you use something else.








    Are you doing a Full backup each time? You can save a lot of space by doing a Differential backup. After the first Full image a Differential image will contain only the changes since the Full image was made. To restore an image you would need the Full image and one Differential.

    Differential images are available in Reflect Free, but if you have a paid version you can use Incremental images. After the initial Full image each incremental only includes the changes since the previous one, so can be even smaller than Differentials. To restore an image you would need the Full and all subsequent Incrementals.
    I agree, incremental images are more space efficient.

    With luck, Paramount will repeat last years Black Friday offer of a 4 licence pack half price. As a 4 licence pack only costs the same as 2 licences, this means in effect I got 4 licences for the price of one. Bargain.

    Another factor for OP may be how data is being backed up. If data is on C drive, it will get backed up every time if doing full backups. So you end up with same data being backed up multiple times.
    Incremental or even differential backups will have a big impact.

    Alternatively, if you keep data in a separate partition, you can backup data by other means, saving multiple backups of same data.
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  5. Dino Rider
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    Bree said:
    Are you doing a Full backup each time? You can save a lot of space by doing a Differential backup. After the first Full image a Differential image will contain only the changes since the Full image was made. To restore an image you would need the Full image and one Differential.

    Differential images are available in Reflect Free, but if you have a paid version you can use Incremental images. After the initial Full image each incremental only includes the changes since the previous one, so can be even smaller than Differentials. To restore an image you would need the Full and all subsequent Incrementals.
    I'm doing a Differential backup. But they must start with a full backup and I've got 5 TB of disk space being compressed into multiple backup sets in a 1.4 TB partition.

    I might have to break down and buy the commercial Macrium so I can use the Incremental Forever backup scheme.
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  6. Bree
    Posts : 28,388
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    Dino Rider said:
    I'm doing a Differential backup. But they must start with a full backup and I've got 5 TB of disk space being compressed into multiple backup sets in a 1.4 TB partition....
    That's a lot to back up
    I might have to break down and buy the commercial Macrium so I can use the Incremental Forever backup scheme.
    As cereberus says, there's usually a 50% discount for Black Friday.
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  8. phrab
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    Dino Rider said:
    I'm doing a Differential backup. But they must start with a full backup and I've got 5 TB of disk space being compressed into multiple backup sets in a 1.4 TB partition.

    I might have to break down and buy the commercial Macrium so I can use the Incremental Forever backup scheme.
    I bought the paid version & haven't regretted it. I create a full backup & then 7 incrementals, which are placed on an external drive. Then I switch drives & do the same thing on another external drive. The incrementals get consolidated into the full after the 7th one. This means I always have 2 weeks worth of backups available, with one drive plugged in & the other not.

    I also copy all my documents (inc music, photos, & videos) onto another computer several times a day.

    Do you have need for more than 2 weeks worth of backups? If so, you might consider one of the online services.

    I only have 170GB on my main drive & each of my backup drives holds 1.5TB, so my size needs differ from yours.
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  9. veryneptune
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    I have some questions please bear with me, I want to backup my whole C drive (SSD) (system and installed apps etc) and restore from it, I have a portable HDD and it's half full, I want to backup and restore only using this portable HDD without losing any data in it
    1. Can I create my C backup and save in this HDD and restore from it without losing other files in it? In other words do I have to format and empty portable HDD before backing up C?
    2. Can I do this process (backup system and installed apps and restore later) with free version? Because I didn't understand from free vs home comparison for my use case
    3. Can I do this process when started from Windows desktop?
    4. If I choose to restore via PE option how do I do this with my only portable HDD? Like can I create rescue media in a folder in this HDD and boot from it and restore from backup folder in this same HDD (hence all my files, folders, rescue media folder, C backup folder in this HDD) I don't understand the PE option, if I create rescue media to USB and backup my C drive to portable HDD can I boot from usb and restore from portable HDD? how do I do it
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  10. kado897
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    veryneptune said:
    I have some questions please bear with me, I want to backup my whole C drive (SSD) (system and installed apps etc) and restore from it, I have a portable HDD and it's half full, I want to backup and restore only using this portable HDD without losing any data in it
    1. Can I create my C backup and save in this HDD and restore from it without losing other files in it? In other words do I have to format and empty portable HDD before backing up C?
    2. Can I do this process (backup system and installed apps and restore later) with free version? Because I didn't understand from free vs home comparison for my use case
    3. Can I do this process when started from Windows desktop?
    4. If I choose to restore via PE option how do I do this with my only portable HDD? Like can I create rescue media in a folder in this HDD and boot from it and restore from backup folder in this same HDD (hence all my files, folders, rescue media folder, C backup folder in this HDD) I don't understand the PE option, if I create rescue media to USB and backup my C drive to portable HDD can I boot from usb and restore from portable HDD? how do I do it
    Welcome to Ten Forums veryneptune. Hopefully I can set your mind at rest,

    1. Yes you can backup your C drive to the portable HDD. It does not have to be empty beforehand. The Macrium image just appears as a file on there and you can have more than one if there is room. Generally a full image will be approximately 50% the size of the data on your C drive.
    2. Yes the free version is fine for your needs.
    3. Yes creating the image from the desktop is the normal method most people use. You can continue to use your PC while the image is being created,
    4. Normally you will create rescue media on a small flash drive and boot from there to restore your image. MR will take care of any special formatting of the flash drive for you, any data on the flash drive will be lost.
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  11. CountMike
    Posts : 19,482
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       New #918

    veryneptune said:
    I have some questions please bear with me, I want to backup my whole C drive (SSD) (system and installed apps etc) and restore from it, I have a portable HDD and it's half full, I want to backup and restore only using this portable HDD without losing any data in it
    1. Can I create my C backup and save in this HDD and restore from it without losing other files in it? In other words do I have to format and empty portable HDD before backing up C?
    2. Can I do this process (backup system and installed apps and restore later) with free version? Because I didn't understand from free vs home comparison for my use case
    3. Can I do this process when started from Windows desktop?
    4. If I choose to restore via PE option how do I do this with my only portable HDD? Like can I create rescue media in a folder in this HDD and boot from it and restore from backup folder in this same HDD (hence all my files, folders, rescue media folder, C backup folder in this HDD) I don't understand the PE option, if I create rescue media to USB and backup my C drive to portable HDD can I boot from usb and restore from portable HDD? how do I do it
    1. You can backup to any storage device that has enough space left (about 75 -80% of original amount of storage)
    2 Yes free or payed that process is same except that payed version is faster.
    3. Yes if you add MR rescue in windows BOOT.
    4. You can make a bootable USB form MR, boot to it and restore any backup to any disk.
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  12. kado897
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       New #919

    CountMike said:
    1. You can backup to any storage device that has enough space left (about 75 -80% of original amount of storage)
    2 Yes free or payed that process is same except that payed version is faster.
    3. Yes if you add MR rescue in windows BOOT.
    4. You can make a bootable USB form MR, boot to it and restore any backup to any disk.
    The backup process doesn't need the MR rescue in windows boot Mike. That's an alterative for a restore.
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