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       06 Jun 2017 #180

    Mooly said: View Post
    If you do a restore you will see Macrium flash a message saying 'attempting trim... trim successful'.

    Its a non problem, simply run Windows own 'Optimise' routine on the restored image when its all done.
    Pipppero2007 said: View Post
    Plaase, do you mean the defrag built in in win?
    Just to clarify a bit....

    The Optimize function in Windows does a "Trim" command to the drive specified. Not to be confused with Defragmenting an HDD, which is mechanical and data written to magnetic media. The Optimize (Trim) function for an SSD does an erase of previously used memory cells on the SSD in preparation for a quicker write. It does not physically move any data around. as the Defragmention of an HDD would do. The "trim" command done by Macrium is exactly the same. Macrium will "prepare" the destination partition first with a quick trim (erase) before actually restoring the image. This eliminates the need to erase-then-write each "block" of data (I use that term loosely, and only for comparison). This is much quicker and contributes to a lower wear level on the SSD.

    You can "optimize" the partition afterward, if you wish, but the advantage to Macrium restore is doing the "trim" just before it is needed.....in preparation.
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  2.    06 Jun 2017 #181

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Just to clarify a bit....

    The Optimize function in Windows does a "Trim" command to the drive specified. Not to be confused with Defragmenting an HDD, which is mechanical and data written to magnetic media. The Optimize (Trim) function for an SSD does an erase of previously used memory cells on the SSD in preparation for a quicker write. It does not physically move any data around. as the Defragmention of an HDD would do. The "trim" command done by Macrium is exactly the same. Macrium will "prepare" the destination partition first with a quick trim (erase) before actually restoring the image. This eliminates the need to erase-then-write each "block" of data (I use that term loosely, and only for comparison). This is much quicker and contributes to a lower wear level on the SSD.

    You can "optimize" the partition afterward, if you wish, but the advantage to Macrium restore is doing the "trim" just before it is needed.....in preparation.
    Just to add another twist to it. SSD firmware does all the "moving around" of file and parts of them as well as final delete of data using built in features"Garbage collection" and "Wear leveling". Just like windows itself data is never completely removed until overwritten, In SSDs GC is the one that at some periods empties deleted data and zeroes cells it was in.
    WL on the other hand makes sure that all cells available for data are used same number of times and none are wearing down faster than other ones. It's all done transparently during SSD "quiet time".
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       06 Jun 2017 #182

    Thanks to both. Very interesting.
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       06 Jun 2017 #183

    CountMike said: View Post
    Just to add another twist to it. SSD firmware does all the "moving around" of file and parts of them as well as final delete of data using built in features"Garbage collection" and "Wear leveling". Just like windows itself data is never completely removed until overwritten, In SSDs GC is the one that at some periods empties deleted data and zeroes cells it was in.
    WL on the other hand makes sure that all cells available for data are used same number of times and none are wearing down faster than other ones. It's all done transparently during SSD "quiet time".
    Possibly unknown to most ( @Cliff S had a good post on this, which I can't find...), the SSD controller is really in charge, it fakes out the OS. And the over-provisioning to help with the wear-leveling. About 20%, I believe.

    Gets deep-deep-deep....I just let it run real fast!
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  5.    15 Jun 2017 #184

    Decided to try the free edition but on testing USB boot media, although it loads no screen selections can be made. It may be my Linx 820 is not compatible, while looking at BIOS menu in the past the screen was not very responsive.
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       20 Jun 2017 #185

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       20 Jun 2017 #186

    Kari said: View Post
    That's an excellent starter kit to quote for a first timer. Thanks, Kari!
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       26 Jun 2017 #187

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  9.    26 Jun 2017 #188

    Kari said: View Post
    I saw that Kari. Congratulations.
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  10.    26 Jun 2017 #189

    Hi,

    Wow. Congrats and enjoy @Kari

    Cheers,
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