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  1. Joined : Feb 2015
    Bamberg Germany
    Posts : 12,964
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393 Multiprocessor Free
       2015-06-24 #10

    Source

    We are also redesigning Windows’ Refresh and Reset functionalities to no longer use a separate recovery image (often preinstalled by manufacturers today) in order to bring Windows devices back to a pristine state. This reduces Windows’ storage footprint further as the recovery image on typical devices can range in size from 4GB to 12GB, depending on the make and model.
    We all know what OEM's call a pristine state: Bundleware!

    Same source

    Even though Windows no longer requires a separate recovery image, Windows can still recover a device from severe corruption. With Windows 10, you can create your own recovery media and back up the pristine state of the operating system and preinstalled software. If things go wrong and you are unable to refresh or reset your device successfully, you can boot the device using recovery media and reset to the prior pristine state.
    So now my question(hopefully the answer will help someone):

    Does this mean that the RESET will reinstall the Bundleware that will come with a new Win10 PC and/or before the upgrade from old OS? Or will it nuke it? I refer to the HTG artilcle Bloatware Banished: Windows 10 Eliminates the Need to Ever Reinstall Windows on New PCs. Not every one knows how to manually purge the stuff, and I was thinking of people with slow/unreliable internet connection having to download a copy of the ISO, that this "could be" an option, and then they just would have to download/reinstall their PC specific drivers then.

    Or is it to early to tell yet?
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 17,517
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 15014
       2015-06-24 #11

    Hey Cliff,

    I'm hoping that article will be true, but I just can't imagine that the OEM wouldn't at least have some of their software installed. It's pretty much a wait and see when the first Window 10 OEM PC is released at this point to know for sure.

    However, one can always create a custom reset image to use though.

    Reset Recovery Image - Create in Windows 10
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  3. Joined : Feb 2015
    Bamberg Germany
    Posts : 12,964
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393 Multiprocessor Free
       2015-06-24 #12

    Shawn,

    It's just I was thinking this could be a double edge sword, if it was true.

    On the one side, for advanced users, it be great to only reset, and everything is nuked, then create a custom image later.

    On the other side, for non-tech users, it would be not so good, because many would loose some hardware function, Keyboard hotkeys for example, and not know they need to get drivers(for the unlucky ones who didn't get a driver disk like I did).

    Let's see what happens. I always tell people to download their drivers to an external device BEFORE the clean install anyhow.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 17,517
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 15014
       2015-06-24 #13

    Agreed. I keep the latest driver and program setup files on another drive to make reinstalling them easy after a clean install.

    I would think drivers and such would still be part of the OEM setup, but just the bloatware would hopefully finally be gone.
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  5. Joined : Feb 2015
    Bamberg Germany
    Posts : 12,964
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393 Multiprocessor Free
       2015-06-24 #14

    Brink said: View Post
    I would think drivers and such would still be part of the OEM setup, but just the bloatware would hopefully finally be gone.
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  6. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 1
    Windows 10 Single Language
       2015-08-01 #15

    Hi Everyone,

    Just wondering, I want to refresh my laptop so that I can give my aunt a "new" laptop.
    The thing is, when I want to refresh my laptop, the will-be-deleted apps shown include even the drivers, both Intel and Dell.
    I'm afraid that I might not know how to reinstall some drivers and that might cause some problems for the laptop.
    So, my question is, if I refresh my laptop and remove these 3rd party apps, will Windows 10 automatically reinstall the drivers?

    Please and thanks!
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 17,517
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 15014
       2015-08-01 #16

    Hello Yinqin, and welcome to Ten Forums.

    Drivers will not be affected by a refresh. If you did a reset, then they would be wiped.
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  8. Joined : Aug 2015
    Firle, England
    Posts : 7
    W10 Pro x64
       2015-08-05 #17

    It's not at all clear to me what the difference is between refresh, reset and recover. I have users who have used one or other of the options available and lost all their Windows Live Mail data, despite having been told that your files will be preserved. You say that third-party desktop apps will be removed, but Windows Live Mail is a Microsoft (not third-party) program. You say that Your files ... won't change, but experience says that Windows Live Mail files are not just changed, they're deleted! How the heck am I to advise users who end up in this situation?
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  9. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 17,517
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 15014
       2015-08-05 #18

    Hello Noel, and welcome to Ten Forums.

    "Your files" = The "C:\Users\(user-name)" folders.

    3rd party apps = Basically any desktop program installed. This doesn't include Store apps.

    I would tell them to backup and create images to be able to restore as needed.
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  10. Joined : Aug 2015
    Firle, England
    Posts : 7
    W10 Pro x64
       2015-08-06 #19

    Brink said: View Post
    Hello Noel, and welcome to Ten Forums.
    Thanks!

    3rd party apps = Basically any desktop program installed.
    Is there an MS web page giving details of this? I find it very unlikely that, say, Office would be removed but some tatty little game from the store would be retained ...

    I would tell them to backup and create images to be able to restore as needed.
    It's usually too late for that.
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