Windows 10: Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First  

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  1. Posts : 20,872
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
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       03 Oct 2015 #30

    gzt7d8 said: View Post
    Shawn, this is a great tutorial, thanks. I don't know if you recall my issues with the clean install earlier but in short, I went through the upgrade path to Windows 10, got the upgrade activated. Later I did a clean install and it wouldn't activate. So I had to go back and reinstall Win 8.1 and go to the upgrade path again and that is where I am at today.

    My question is can I do this step from the current Windows 10 installation that I'm running on? I am gun shy of trying another clean installation for fear it won't activate again.

    Thanks for listening.

    Greg
    Hello Greg,

    This can be done if the current Windows is activated to create a gatherosstate.exe file from, or you already created a gatherosstate.exe file previously to use.
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       03 Oct 2015 #31

    Sometimes it will take a day or so to automatically activate due to however busy the activation servers are at the time. If you rushed to see the second upgrade you may not have allowed enough time for 10 to activate itself. The gatherostate however makes for a good safety net!
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  3.    03 Oct 2015 #32

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Sometimes it will take a day or so to automatically activate due to however busy the activation servers are at the time. If you rushed to see the second upgrade you may not have allowed enough time for 10 to activate itself. The gatherostate however makes for a good safety net!
    I attempted the clean install about 30 days after I successfully completed the upgrade from Windows 8.1. I gave the clean install it a little more than a week to activate before contacting MS support for the 2nd time and got a "so sorry you'll have to start all over again"....grrr.

    This method looks promising, I'm going to get my ducks in a row and try it out soon.

    Thanks!
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  4. Posts : 192
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit
       03 Oct 2015 #33

    I used this method to clean install Win 10 in a dual boot configuration with Win 7. I copied the file from my Win 10 DVD (I will not use USB booting), ran it on the Windows 7 desktop, then copied the GenuineTicket.xml to a flash drive. I had already created a new partition on my hard drive. I then booted from the DVD, did a custom install telling it to install in the new partition and skipping the product key insertion (it asked twice). After Win 10 was up and running, I copied and pasted the ticket file to the location given in the tutorial, rebooted, and voila, Windows is activated. I got Windows 10 free without losing Windows 7.

    I find this strange, however. I checked out the ticket location on the computer I upgraded from 8.1 by using the Media Creation Tool and there is no GenuineTicket.xml file present.
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    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
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       03 Oct 2015 #34

    Dch48 said: View Post
    I used this method to clean install Win 10 in a dual boot configuration with Win 7. I copied the file from my Win 10 DVD (I will not use USB booting), ran it on the Windows 7 desktop, then copied the GenuineTicket.xml to a flash drive. I had already created a new partition on my hard drive. I then booted from the DVD, did a custom install telling it to install in the new partition and skipping the product key insertion (it asked twice). After Win 10 was up and running, I copied and pasted the ticket file to the location given in the tutorial, rebooted, and voila, Windows is activated. I got Windows 10 free without losing Windows 7.
    You are violating the EULA by having both installed and activated at the same time. Eventually one or both will become deactivated.

    You are suppose to no longer have Windows 7 activated as long as you have the free Windows 10 installed and activated.
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    Windows 10 Home 64 bit
       03 Oct 2015 #35

    Brink said: View Post
    You are violating the EULA by having both installed and activated at the same time. Eventually one or both will become deactivated.

    You are suppose to no longer have Windows 7 activated as long as you have the free Windows 10 installed and activated.
    I doubt I'm violating anything but we'll see what happens. They said the machine was eligible to receive Windows 10 free and that's just what happened. I never saw anything that said you couldn't keep both.
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    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
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       03 Oct 2015 #36

    Dch48 said: View Post
    I doubt I'm violating anything but we'll see what happens. They said the machine was eligible to receive Windows 10 free and that's just what happened. I never saw anything that said you couldn't keep both.
    You are. See: Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First
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  8.    03 Oct 2015 #37

    Shawn's correct, what MS needs to do is build in technical backstops to augment the EULA... currently one can easily bypass the EULA. Both Windows and Office... This is not the 1900's where it appears it relied on people's consciousness.
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  9. Posts : 20,872
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
    Thread Starter
       03 Oct 2015 #38

    Eventually they'll get flagged when checking in with the Microsoft activation servers, and both will be deactivated.

    This is why I'm hoping they'll listen to my warning about violating the EULA like that.
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  10. Posts : 192
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit
       03 Oct 2015 #39

    Brink said: View Post
    They cannot be installed and activated at the same time. Even if you don't have them both running at the same time.

    Part of the agreement to get the free upgrade to Windows 10 is that you do not use the product key of the activated Windows 7/8.1 that you upgraded from afterwards. You would have to uninstall Windows 10 first before you can legally.

    It's always been that way for upgrade copies of Windows.

    The Windows 10 EULA and the free offer FAQs states this.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Uset...10_English.htm

    Windows 10 FAQ Tips - Microsoft
    It is not clearly stated in either the EULA or the FAQs that you can't have both. It just gives the regular upgrade procedure but does not mention dual booting anywhere. Granted, without using this tutorial, you can't do it so maybe it's the tutorial that is in violation more than me. The tutorial tells you how to circumvent the normal procedure which is exactly what I did. I just took it a step further to see if it would work and I actually didn't think it would.

    You can't be in violation if it is not clearly stated that what you did is wrong, and, it is not.
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