Windows 10: Hyper-V virtualization - Setup and Use in Windows 10  

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  1. Posts : 13
    Win10x64,Mint KDE,VMware-"Stuff"
       14 May 2016 #310

    confused-not a first.


    Kari said: View Post
    • Built-in native app in Windows 10 Pro, Education and Enterprise editions
    • Can run any operating system (Android, MacOSX (doable atlthough difficult to set up), any Linux distro, any DOS version, any Windows version, any Windoes Phone / Windows Mobile version, any Unix distro)
    • Dynamic RAM
    • Checkpoints, no other virtualization software has anything similar in full extent (simple example: start copying a large file, half way through notice you have to shutdown the host. In Hyper-V simply create a standard checkpoint, shut down the host, and when ready to continue boot the host and launch the vm; the file copy continues where it was when the checkpoint was created)
    • Automatic start / shutdown / pause (example: a Hyper-V vm is upgrading to next build of Windows 10 when you shut down the host. No problems, next time you boot the host and start the vm it continues the upgrade where it was cut off)
    • Totally integrated to Windows 10 host system

    Just to name a few advantages...

    In screenshot a Hyper-V vm running Windows 10 Mobile:
    Attachment 66078
    (Click to enlarge.)

    @Kari
    I currently run player and VMware work station.
    These both have huge response/time lag as far as im concerned that is.(and don't perform for me at least)
    My intuition tells me (based on nothing else) that using Hyper v should resolve response issues as it is "native" and running direct from win 10 itself.

    In short- long explanation not required- I have faith in others far more experienced than me= "windows crash count about 100+". ("Thank god for AOMEI")

    If i tried this approach: would i get/this apply ? .
    1. get a 100% reliable VM platfrom am i better off with HV.
    2. will it perform in terms of response times and ability.( i tend to bash keys and panic when nothing happens- LOL)
    3. is it Reliable
    4. Is linux easily supported - I like linux
    5 can i / how can i convert all my existing VM's to this.
    yes im a pain but would like some answers, from those who know.

    Cheers Fronk.(OS Crash/dislexic, expert)
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  2. Posts : 14,928
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       14 May 2016 #311

    Fronk said: View Post
    @Kari
    I currently run player and VMware work station.
    These both have huge response/time lag as far as im concerned that is.(and don't perform for me at least)
    My intuition tells me (based on nothing else) that using Hyper v should resolve response issues as it is "native" and running direct from win 10 itself.

    In short- long explanation not required- I have faith in others far more experienced than me= "windows crash count about 100+". ("Thank god for AOMEI")

    If i tried this approach: would i get/this apply ? .
    1. get a 100% reliable VM platfrom am i better off with HV.
    2. will it perform in terms of response times and ability.( i tend to bash keys and panic when nothing happens- LOL)
    3. is it Reliable
    4. Is linux easily supported - I like linux
    5 can i / how can i convert all my existing VM's to this.
    yes im a pain but would like some answers, from those who know.

    Cheers Fronk.(OS Crash/dislexic, expert)
    I have used VMWare Player in the past, and found all OS platforms worked great, meaning sound and drag & drop back and forth from host to VM. Specially Ubuntu(my favorite).
    Too make a backup I only had to copy the VM and paste it somewhere else, until needeed.

    But I'm using Hyper-V now.
    All Windows VM's in Hyper-V work just like normal installed systems.
    Linux VM's on the other hand are supported, but don't get all the features.
    I can't get sound for example. or drag & drop(copy & paste for that matter. don't work.
    I use Ubuntu for when I surf or want to check out an unknown site, but without sound.

    The one factor for response time is---- Get a large enough SSD and put your machines on that.
    Whether VMWare or Hyper-V, I found(and have tried both ways, SSD vs. HDD, SSD will give you faster VM booting, snappier opening and closing programs & files.

    For me I prefer Hyper-V as I am in the insider program and It's made by Microsoft for Microsoft OS's that support being virtualized.
    The Linux community has not(or cannot) added full support for Enhanced Session Mode and Integration Services(not Microsoft's fault).

    So if you primarily use Linux distro's and want full support, such a sound. Stay with VMWare.

    p.s: This is just my experience and my opinion. Others more advanced in Geekdom, might have got the stuff to work better.
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  3. Posts : 13
    Win10x64,Mint KDE,VMware-"Stuff"
       15 May 2016 #312

    confused-not a first.


    Thanks for the input Cliff
    I am a self confessed "addicted" tinkerer as im sure most are here, Ive built my own gear out of desperation(although old now in some respects, because of finance issues and the fact it was just not available- off the shelf) this is due to being very ADD and the expectation that not only my system but any VM should behave instantly- i really expect things to happen" instantly"
    As i am a addicted tinkerer. i do find the Linux world fascinating and would love to run this as fast as possible.
    To me it does seem that there is no reason that a vm should be any slower than an embedded OS.If any thing as it should be slimmer in some respects they should be faster as all the addons/garbage are not present, especially with Linux(love mint KDE)
    I am rambling- again.
    i just dont see why any VM of any Kind/ilk should not be lightening fast when it will not have all the build up of files that accumulate with a long standing user OS.
    P.s my work pc which is networked drive me insane 2-3 minutes to boot, logging on to all the corporate server and "BS".
    To give a scale for comparison- this pc boots from push button to full noise in five seconds at most and that annoys me.
    "I leave the room at work".
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  4. Posts : 14,928
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       15 May 2016 #313

    You're welcome Fronk.
    I find it too bad that only one hypervisor can run on a PC at a timer.
    Personally I think it would be nice to have Hyper-V for Windows and VMWare for Linux.
    But I guess it has to do with the virtual switches, and connection to the internet and between VM's and host, also VM to VM.
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       15 May 2016 #314

    Nothing to add to Cliff's excellent reply except a small but importnat piece of information: If you ever migrate to Hyper-V, your best chance to get all your Windows virtual machines migrated from VMware is to use Disk2VHD: Hyper-V - Create and Use VHD of Windows 10 with Disk2VHD - Windows 10 Forums

    Unfortunately it only work in Windows, migrating your Windows XP and later virtual machines to VHD files which you can then use in Hyper-V, For Linux virtual machines you need to use some other solution, I am not able to tell if there are any such tools available.
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  6. Posts : 13
    Win10x64,Mint KDE,VMware-"Stuff"
       15 May 2016 #315

    Cliff S said: View Post
    You're welcome Fronk.
    I find it too bad that only one hypervisor can run on a PC at a timer.
    Personally I think it would be nice to have Hyper-V for Windows and VMWare for Linux.
    But I guess it has to do with the virtual switches, and connection to the internet and between VM's and host, also VM to VM.
    Well i suppose im just going to have to suck it all up and stick with VMware workstation as slow as that is.
    It all just winds me up im afraid, im just so used to my home machine that has more go and grunt than most.
    However the reality is that im playing on a VM not working.(all my crap is well backed up on other drives)
    Might be a different story if i had a larger SSD(128GB) then i could dual boot, but to be honest im never actually happy untill i crash a Os and then have a new toy to fix...LOL.
    But that's not good when dual booting is it...........
    Good bless Aomei........

    Edit, edit, edit.
    Ive just spell checked and manually edited this post Five times-man i have ADD issues.!!!!
    insert posted and edited---- god help me.
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  7. Posts : 14,928
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       15 May 2016 #316

    Fronk said: View Post
    Might be a different story if i had a larger SSD(128GB) then i could dual boot, but to be honest im never actually happy untill i crash a Os and then have a new toy to fix...LOL.
    I just bought me a 1TB Samsung 850 EVO for my VM's(cost me 289€) yesterday.
    My 120GB 840 PRO was just too small, when my Insider Preview VM would upgrade(then there is the equivalent of two OS's on the .vhdx) and I had to delete all my restore points to get into the OS(only had about 2.5MB left after the upgrade, with Ubuntu on the same disk as well) The restore points(in Hyper-V are like copy & pasting the VM's in VMWare) just took up too much room, but I find them necessary to have.
    Now I have room for more, and to grow/expand, instead of placing less used OS's/VM's on my "slow" 7200 rpm HDD.
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  8. Posts : 13
    Win10x64,Mint KDE,VMware-"Stuff"
       15 May 2016 #317

    Kari said: View Post
    Nothing to add to Cliff's excellent reply except a small but importnat piece of information: If you ever migrate to Hyper-V, your best chance to get all your Windows virtual machines migrated from VMware is to use Disk2VHD: Hyper-V - Create and Use VHD of Windows 10 with Disk2VHD - Windows 10 Forums

    Unfortunately it only work in Windows, migrating your Windows XP and later virtual machines to VHD files which you can then use in Hyper-V, For Linux virtual machines you need to use some other solution, I am not able to tell if there are any such tools available.
    Thanks Kari- but if fear that would drive me over the edge( refer to previous)
    I will stick with Vm Wareworkstation for now= less strain on my Physician and Whiskey supplier .
    I would dearly love to drop that however ,"with the freedom of linux"- Dreams are free.
    Thanks for the input, As we say here in New Zealand (insert Asian accent now )Its "a qweat place"---- google that.
    p.s check out my lame script, thinking of adding robo copy next could end up a monster.....LOL.
    Cheers Fronk.
    Gotolovetenforums,,,
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  9. Posts : 13
    Win10x64,Mint KDE,VMware-"Stuff"
       15 May 2016 #318

    Cliff S said: View Post
    I just bought me a 1TB Samsung 850 EVO for my VM's(cost me 289€) yesterday.
    My 120GB 840 PRO was just too small, when my Insider Preview VM would upgrade(then there is the equivalent of two OS's on the .vhdx) and I had to delete all my restore points to get into the OS(only had about 2.5MB left after the upgrade, with Ubuntu on the same disk as well) The restore points(in Hyper-V are like copy & pasting the VM's in VMWare) just took up too much room, but I find them necessary to have.
    Now I have room for more, and to grow/expand, instead of placing less used OS's/VM's on my "slow" 7200 rpm HDD.
    Mmmmmmmm.
    its me ADD Fronk.... thinkin again
    is it that i store all my Vm's on a spinner and access them through my extension (also a spinner)
    Do i need to upgrade my SSD "120gb ish"...?
    and then run VMware worstation of that , while storing the vm files on my other spinner drives..?
    Ive always been of the mentality that my SSD was to be kept as clean as for the actual OS as possible and to store and access any"Non windows programs from separate spinners.
    "If this in fact wrong(depending on - performance) then i/ we need to have SSD's large enough to cater for the demand(expected result)"

    Or in short- the solution to "power demand" is more power.= more watts/SSD - GBs
    ?am i being ADD again- "dont Answer that."
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  10. Posts : 14,928
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393, Windows 10 Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Update, Ubuntu
       15 May 2016 #319

    I currently have a 512GB 850 PRO for the Host OS and use 485GB of a 1TB 850 EVO for the VM's. As the VM's are also operating systems, albeit virtual, placing them on an SSD, sppeds them up. They are not just data that's called up into memory to be used, they are read and written to, and the I/O operations are much faster this way.
    As they don't have all the software loading, on them as my host does, they even "boot" much faster than my PC does.
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