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  1. Posts : 39,330
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #1330

    yesir360 said:
    I'm just not sure what it says if the language is different...

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    That is interesting... I wonder if you're able to downgrade from something like 21H1 to 2004 this way. Most downgrade tutorials seem to suggest changing a value in registry, though I'm not sure if this would actually work.

    Just attempted a 1909 iso and it does let you, but when it asks to choose what files to keep you only get the option of "remove everything". The other two are greyed out. I suppose during incorrect language it'll be the same as well

    What underlying problems are there with the operating system or performance?
    Did you want to use an older Windows version and maintain files?
    Drivers can be backed up and restored.
    Do you need to keep applications or can they be reinstalled?
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  2. Tekkie Boy's Avatar
    Posts : 811
    Win 10
       #1331

    Hi mate,

    steve108 said:
    I have seen it recommended time and time again to disconnect all extraneous hardware and extra drives other than the one with the OS to be repaired/upgraded.
    The process of an in-place upgrade is no different than a feature update.

    Subsequently installed programs or drivers that are critical for the feature update are also critical for the in-place upgrade.

    Therefore I always recommend disconnecting external devices.

    No matter what kind.

    However, this refers purely to the problem that drivers of this hardware can interfere with the upgrade.

    Additional internal drives should definitely be disconnected or deactivated during a clean install so that the system reserved or EFI partition is not created on another drive.

    steve108 said:
    Just had someone tell me that their external drive with Windows got repair upgraded instead of their main boot drive.
    This can only happen if this person has booted from this Windows installation and started the in-place upgrade from there.

    As you know for sure yourself, an in-place upgrade can only be performed from a running Windows installation and not if the Windows installation no longer boots.

    I hope I explained that in an understandable way.
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    19041.1466 - 2004/20H1 Pro x64
       #1332

    Tekkie Boy said:
    Hi mate,


    The process of an in-place upgrade is no different than a feature update.

    Subsequently installed programs or drivers that are critical for the feature update are also critical for the in-place upgrade.

    Therefore I always recommend disconnecting external devices.

    No matter what kind.

    However, this refers purely to the problem that drivers of this hardware can interfere with the upgrade.

    Additional internal drives should definitely be disconnected or deactivated during a clean install so that the system reserved or EFI partition is not created on another drive.



    This can only happen if this person has booted from this Windows installation and started the in-place upgrade from there.

    As you know for sure yourself, an in-place upgrade can only be performed from a running Windows installation and not if the Windows installation no longer boots.

    I hope I explained that in an understandable way.
    Tekkie Boy, hello and thanks for your prompt response.

    I know you've helped countless people with diagnosing and usually correcting failures in-place upgrades and repair installs.

    Are there other general recommendations you have based on all your experience on this subject that are not covered in the OP to maximize probably of success prior to attempting these operations?
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  4. Tekkie Boy's Avatar
    Posts : 811
    Win 10
       #1333

    @steve108

    As already written, unplug any hardware that is not required.

    Uninstall third-party antivirus programs. Use of the respective removal tool from the manufacturer of the antivirus program.

    If third-party encryption programs are insolvent, decrypt the system hard drive and then uninstall the respective program.

    Uninstalling hardware dongles. These also often bring critical drivers with them.

    If that doesn't help, you have to look at the log files that are created during the in-place upgrade or feature update.

    Unfortunately there is no such thing as a panacea recipe.

    But taking these things into account minimizes the risk of problems.
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  5. steve108's Avatar
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    19041.1466 - 2004/20H1 Pro x64
       #1334

    Tekkie Boy said:
    @steve108

    As already written, unplug any hardware that is not required.

    Uninstall third-party antivirus programs. Use of the respective removal tool from the manufacturer of the antivirus program.

    If third-party encryption programs are insolvent, decrypt the system hard drive and then uninstall the respective program.

    Uninstalling hardware dongles. These also often bring critical drivers with them.

    If that doesn't help, you have to look at the log files that are created during the in-place upgrade or feature update.

    Unfortunately there is no such thing as a panacea recipe.

    But taking these things into account minimizes the risk of problems.
    Tekkie Boy,
    Thanks again for your response.

    Another question I have is about the impact of uninstalling Edge on repair install/upgrade - can you comment on that please? Thanks.
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  6. Tekkie Boy's Avatar
    Posts : 811
    Win 10
       #1335

    @steve108

    Uninstalling Edge does not prevent an in-place upgrade or feature update.

    At least I am not aware of any cases.

    However, the Edge Browser will be restored if an in-place upgrade or feature update is carried out.
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  7. ICIT2LOL's Avatar
    Posts : 8,746
    Windows 10 Pro on all on various machines version 21H1
       #1336

    Hello Shawn mate I am having a few problems with the build of 10 currently on my machine here namely the update service has stopped working properly as my build number is not listed for the latest KB5008212 cumulative update.
    I am pretty loathe to do a repair unless I really have to and one thing that is concerning me is that I have Pro on the machine and at point 13 it says to download Home version so what will happen to my Pro version if I go ahead with the repair?
    I also see that it deletes all other installations previously installed on the machine (it already has been reinstalled once before by the seller - there are Windows.old files there on the drive) which I don't mind as long as my settings and folders are kept as is now - I don't really want to have to set it up all over again.
    Lastly is there some other way of getting the latest version of the OS (see pic for my current version) before I think of going a head with a repair??
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  8. Brink's Avatar
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    64-bit Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
    Thread Starter
       #1337

    ICIT2LOL said:
    Hello Shawn mate I am having a few problems with the build of 10 currently on my machine here namely the update service has stopped working properly as my build number is not listed for the latest KB5008212 cumulative update.
    I am pretty loathe to do a repair unless I really have to and one thing that is concerning me is that I have Pro on the machine and at point 13 it says to download Home version so what will happen to my Pro version if I go ahead with the repair?
    I also see that it deletes all other installations previously installed on the machine (it already has been reinstalled once before by the seller - there are Windows.old files there on the drive) which I don't mind as long as my settings and folders are kept as is now - I don't really want to have to set it up all over again.
    Lastly is there some other way of getting the latest version of the OS (see pic for my current version) before I think of going a head with a repair??
    Hello John,

    Which tutorial are you referring to "point 13"? There's nothing in this tutorial for downloading Home. If you meant in option 1 below, then the "Windows 10" option includes both Home and Pro.

    Download Windows 10 ISO File

    Did you already try manually updating to the latest build below to see if it may help with the issues you're having? There are download links to the MSU and ISO for 19044.1415 at the bottom of the first post below to help.

    KB5008212 Windows 10 19041.1415, 19042.1415, 19043.1415, 19044.1415
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  9. selden's Avatar
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    Win10 Pro X64 21H2 build 19044.1415
       #1338

    @ICIT2LOL

    John,

    WRT to your last question, the Windows version and build number is also available in Settings -> System -> About. That informational page can be copied and pasted as text, unlike the Winver page.
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  10. ICIT2LOL's Avatar
    Posts : 8,746
    Windows 10 Pro on all on various machines version 21H1
       #1339

    Brink said:
    Hello John,

    Which tutorial are you referring to "point 13"? There's nothing in this tutorial for downloading Home. If you meant in option 1 below, then the "Windows 10" option includes both Home and Pro.

    Download Windows 10 ISO File

    Did you already try manually updating to the latest build below to see if it may help with the issues you're having? There are download links to the MSU and ISO for 19044.1415 at the bottom of the first post below to help.

    KB5008212 Windows 10 19041.1415, 19042.1415, 19043.1415, 19044.1415
    Hello Shawn it was at point 13 there is a pic that shows the Home version ticked is why I asked.
    As for the KB5008212 it downloads to 20% and sometimes to100% and then when installing I get what is in the pic. Plus my build is what is in the pic of my winver.
    I would like to get the latest build but the build I have got is blocking me from installing that new KB. Is there any other way to get the latest build besides through updates please??
    I have checked sfc scannow and run the DISM RestoreHealth checks but they have come up with no violations so i am left wondering why as I still get security updates which I suppose is something.
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