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  1.    02 Mar 2016 #70
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    Yes. I limited my adding to the ProgramData ... and ignored the User/ ... folder
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  2.    02 Mar 2016 #71
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    Sorry, I meant only in the actual "Programs" folder at either location below, and not in any subfolders in Programs.

    %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    %AppData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
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  3.    02 Mar 2016 #72
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    all links are in the
    %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    folder only and not any subfolders thereof. Even weirder is that the All Apps shows a folder that does not exist ... i did a search for file and there is none. the program has been uninstalled.

    where does win 10 get this stuff then?
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  4.    02 Mar 2016 #73
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    Sounds like the program is not very good at cleaning up after itself. Are you able to manually remove the folder?
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  5.    02 Mar 2016 #74
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    Are you able to manually remove the folder? you ask .... there is no folder to remove. did a search. not there! searched thru registry for any key that mentioned the app or the folder. not found. All Apps should have regenerated itself without the folder or the app that was held there. but i digress. Where is the cache or what is the trigger that gets the All Apps list to regenerate ? does any one know this stuff? i wasted an hour with a microsoft idiot who knew nothing.
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  6.    02 Mar 2016 #75
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    To whom are you referring to as an idiot?

    What is the folder for? Please post some screenshots to see if may reveal anything,

    Get-StartApps is a combination of everything in All apps and tiles (pinned) on Start.
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  7.    03 Mar 2016 #76
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    Brink -- attached screenshots as requested.

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    this is the ProgramData ... Start Menu, the Users ...Start Menu, and the part of the All Apps list for B and C;
    Focus on: Clockwork Mod which shows in the AllApps but not elsewhere; also note: No entry in All Apps for Corel PaintShop or Cloudmark or APC UPS STatus. see below for Get-StartApps

    [n.b. the idiot i was referring to was at Microsoft help desk ... totally clueless but would not admit it]

    Below is the full listing from Get-StartApps. Notice entries for Corel, Cloudmark and APC.

    Code:
    Windows PowerShell
    Copyright (C) 2015 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
    
    
    PPS C:\WINDOWS\system32>
    PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> get-startapps
    
    
    Name                                            AppID
    ----                                            -----
    Blend for Visual Studio 2015                    Blend.14.0
    Software Updates                                C:\ProgramData\FLEXnet\Connect\11\ISUSPM.exe
    Recent Items                                    C:\Users\JM\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
    Google Chrome                                   Chrome
    Mozilla Firefox                                 E7CF176E110C211B
    MATLAB R2014a                                   K:\Matlab\R2014a\bin\matlab.exe
    Windows Mobile Device Center                    Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{2F030735-2DAA-4ABA-FF91-59A8C67A0757}
    Performance Monitor                             Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{8AA47365-B2B3-1961-69EB-F866E376B12F}
    Computer Management                             Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{8ABD94FB-E7D6-84A6-A997-C918EDDE0AE5}
    Event Viewer                                    Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{BB044BFD-25B7-2FAA-22A8-6371A93E0456}
    Local Security Policy                           Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{BD3F924E-55FB-A1BA-9DE6-B50F9F2460AC}
    Task Scheduler                                  Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{C1C6F8AC-40A3-0F5C-146F-65A9DC70BBB4}
    Resource Monitor                                Microsoft.AutoGenerated.{C804BBA7-FA5F-CBF7-8B55-2096E5F972CB}
    Excel 2016                                      Microsoft.Office.EXCEL.EXE.15
    OneDrive for Business                           Microsoft.Office.GROOVE.EXE.15
    Skype for Business 2016                         Microsoft.Office.lync.exe.15
    Access 2016                                     Microsoft.Office.MSACCESS.EXE.15
    Publisher 2016                                  Microsoft.Office.MSPUB.EXE.15
    OneNote 2016                                    Microsoft.Office.ONENOTE.EXE.15
    Outlook 2016                                    Microsoft.Office.OUTLOOK.EXE.15
    PowerPoint 2016                                 Microsoft.Office.POWERPNT.EXE.15
    Visio 2016                                      Microsoft.Office.VISIO.EXE.15
    Project 2016                                    Microsoft.Office.WINPROJ.EXE.15
    Word 2016                                       Microsoft.Office.WINWORD.EXE.15
    Windows Media Player                            Microsoft.Windows.MediaPlayer32
    Windows Live Mail                               Microsoft.WindowsLive.Mail
    Windows Live Messenger                          Microsoft.WindowsLiveMessenger
    Downloads                                       U:\Download
    Visual Studio 2015                              VisualStudio.14.0
    PlayMemories Home                               W:\Program Files (x86)\PlayMemories Home\PMBBrowser.exe
    Corel PaintShop Pro.exe - Shortcut              W:\Program Files\Corel\Corel PaintShop Pro X7 (64-bit)\Corel Paint...
    Disk Cleanup                                    {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\cleanmgr.exe
    Component Services                              {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\comexp.msc
    Defragment and Optimize Drives                  {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\dfrgui.exe
    Internet Information Services (IIS) Manager     {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\inetsrv\InetMgr.exe
    Internet Information Services (IIS) 6.0 Manager {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\inetsrv\InetMgr6.exe
    iSCSI Initiator                                 {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\iscsicpl.exe
    Windows Memory Diagnostic                       {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\MdSched.exe
    System Configuration                            {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\msconfig.exe
    System Information                              {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\msinfo32.exe
    mspaint                                         {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\mspaint.exe
    ODBC Data Sources (64-bit)                      {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\odbcad32.exe
    Print Management                                {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\printmanagement.msc
    Services                                        {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\services.msc
    Windows Firewall with Advanced Security         {1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\WF.msc
    Acrobat Reader 5.0                              {6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\Ac...
    Cloudmark DesktopOne                            {6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\Cloudmark\Desktop\Service\c...
    Microsoft Web Platform Installer                {6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\Microsoft\Web Platform Inst...
    SyncToy 2.1(x64)                                {6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\SyncToy 2.1\SyncToy.exe
    Bluetooth Problem Report                        {6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\...
    ABBYY FineReader 6.0 Sprint                     {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\ABBYY FineReader 6.0 Sprint...
    Acrobat Reader DC                               {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Adobe\Acrobat Reader DC\Rea...
    APC UPS Status                                  {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\APC\PowerChute Personal Edi...
    Apple Software Update                           {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Apple Software Update\Softw...
    Audacity                                        {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Audacity\audacity.exe
    PowerDesk 9                                     {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Avanquest\PowerDesk\PDExplo...
    TiffTagViewer                                   {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\AWare Systems\AsTiffTagView...
    Corel Painter Photo Essentials 4                {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Corel\Corel Painter Photo E...
    Need For Speed™ World                           {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Electronic Arts\Need For Sp...
    VideoClipper                                    {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Gapware Custom Software\GCS...
    ImgBurn                                         {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\ImgBurn\ImgBurn.exe
    Advanced Uninstaller PRO 10                     {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Innovative Solutions\Advanc...
    Across Lite 2.0                                 {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Litsoft\Across Lite 2.0\acr...
    LogMeIn Client                                  {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\LogMeIn\Ignition\LMIIgnitio...
    Microsoft SharedView                            {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Microsoft SharedView\Shared...
    Dragon NaturallySpeaking 12.0                   {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking12\...
    PDFill PDF Editor                               {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\PlotSoft\PDFill\PDFill.exe
    Readon TV Movie Radio Player                    {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Readon Technology\Readon TV...
    TeamViewer 10                                   {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\TeamViewer\TeamViewer.exe
    TurboTax 2015                                   {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\TurboTax\Home & Business 20...
    Windows Live Movie Maker                        {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Windows Live\Photo Gallery\...
    Windows Live Photo Gallery                      {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Windows Live\Photo Gallery\...
    WiseRegCleaner.exe - Shortcut                   {7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\Wise\Wise Registry Cleaner\...
    ODBC Data Sources (32-bit)                      {D65231B0-B2F1-4857-A4CE-A8E7C6EA7D27}\odbcad32.exe
    Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Wizards            {F38BF404-1D43-42F2-9305-67DE0B28FC23}\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1....
    Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Configuration      {F38BF404-1D43-42F2-9305-67DE0B28FC23}\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1....
    Cortana                                         Microsoft.Windows.Cortana_cw5n1h2txyewy!CortanaUI
    3D Builder                                      Microsoft.3DBuilder_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Money                                           Microsoft.BingFinance_8wekyb3d8bbwe!AppexFinance
    News                                            Microsoft.BingNews_8wekyb3d8bbwe!AppexNews
    Sports                                          Microsoft.BingSports_8wekyb3d8bbwe!AppexSports
    Weather                                         Microsoft.BingWeather_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Get Started                                     Microsoft.Getstarted_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Get Office                                      Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.MicrosoftOffi...
    Microsoft Solitaire Collection                  Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    OneNote                                         Microsoft.Office.OneNote_8wekyb3d8bbwe!microsoft.onenoteim
    People                                          Microsoft.People_8wekyb3d8bbwe!x4c7a3b7dy2188y46d4ya362y19ac5a5805e5x
    Photos                                          Microsoft.Windows.Photos_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Alarms & Clock                                  Microsoft.WindowsAlarms_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Calculator                                      Microsoft.WindowsCalculator_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Camera                                          Microsoft.WindowsCamera_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Calendar                                        microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!microsoft.window...
    Mail                                            microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!microsoft.window...
    Maps                                            Microsoft.WindowsMaps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Phone Companion                                 Microsoft.WindowsPhone_8wekyb3d8bbwe!CompanionApp.App
    Voice Recorder                                  Microsoft.WindowsSoundRecorder_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Store                                           Microsoft.WindowsStore_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Xbox                                            Microsoft.XboxApp_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.XboxApp
    Groove Music                                    Microsoft.ZuneMusic_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.ZuneMusic
    Movies & TV                                     Microsoft.ZuneVideo_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.ZuneVideo
    Microsoft Edge                                  Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe!MicrosoftEdge
    Windows Feedback                                Microsoft.WindowsFeedback_cw5n1h2txyewy!App
    Contact Support                                 Windows.ContactSupport_cw5n1h2txyewy!App
    Settings                                        windows.immersivecontrolpanel_cw5n1h2txyewy!microsoft.windows.imme...
    Windows DVD Player                              Microsoft.WindowsDVDPlayer_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.WindowsDVDPlayer
    HP AiO Printer Remote                           AD2F1837.HPPrinterControl_v10z8vjag6ke6!AD2F1837.HPPrinterControl
    TileCreator                                     44973NealWhittington.TileCreator_33c8cnb67j69p!App
    Trickster Spades                                8-BitMuseLLC.TricksterSpades_x1ejcv3m1pq1w!App
    Microsoft Minesweeper                           Microsoft.MicrosoftMinesweeper_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App
    Spades Intelligence                             6918E89D.TheSpades_66n08swfvvka0!App
    Fresh Paint                                     Microsoft.FreshPaint_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.FreshPaint
    
    
    
    
    PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>
    Last edited by Brink; 03 Mar 2016 at 13:16. Reason: code box
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  8.    03 Mar 2016 #77
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    Yeah, some of the outsourced support Microsoft uses seem to only follow a flowchart.

    Do you have Corel, Cloudmark and APC pinned to Start? I see their shortcuts in your %ProgramData%\...\Programs folder. Do the shortcuts work if you click on them there? If not, then delete them and create new shortcuts as a test to see if they show in All Apps afterwards. If not, then create the shortcuts in your %AppData%\...\Programs location to see if they show in All Apps afterwards for only your account.

    Clockwork Mod may not have registered properly when installed. It wouldn't hurt to notify the developer about this to see if he/she may be able to update it.
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  9.    03 Mar 2016 #78
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    Do you have Corel, Cloudmark and APC pinned to Start?

    >>Well, pin to start only works for items already in the All Apps list. since they dont appear i cannot pin to start.

    I see their shortcuts in your %ProgramData%\...\Programs folder. Do the shortcuts work if you click on them there?
    >> Yes. they all work there

    create the shortcuts in your %AppData%\...\Programs location to see if they show in All Apps afterwards
    >> I did and they do not.

    any other ideas to try ?
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  10.    03 Mar 2016 #79
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    You could "Pin to Start" items that are not in All Apps from other locations, but since they are not for you, then that's not why anyways.

    'Pin to Start' and 'Unpin from Start" items in Windows 10

    I must admit that I'm running out of ideas as well. I suppose you could pin those apps to Start to use for now until you can get them to show in All Apps.
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