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  1.    19 Nov 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordwanswell View Post
    Fair enough. Then what would be your advice for fixing or getting around the start menu problem?
    I find that only adding shortcuts in only the Programs folder like in the tutorial works best, and don't add any folders.

    For your issue, I'd say using a new account instead would be best, or refresh or reset Windows to try and fix the original account.
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  2.    08 Jan 2016 #51
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    Windows 10 Pro - what ever the latest Insider build is

    I would like to remove Contact Support, Cortana, Microsoft Edge, and Windows Feedback from the All Apps menu. Is it possible to do this?
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  3.    08 Jan 2016 #52
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    Hello vijer,

    I'm afraid that removing Windows apps (modern) from the All apps screen is not possible.
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  4.    17 Jan 2016 #53
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    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10 Pro AU 1607, Linux Mint 17.4, Ubuntu 15.04 LTS

    All Apps in Start Menu - Folders and Shortcuts


    Thank you Brink for your tutorial.

    I reworked my "All Apps Start Menu" using your option three, I found the following few do's and dont's after a few false starts.

    1 Empty folders created in the Programs folder will not show in the "All Apps in Start Menu" until at least one shortcut is added to the new folder.

    2 Shortcut names must not contain the ".exe" extension as this is ignored by Windows and will not show in the "All Apps Start Menu".

    3 Move shortcuts by cutting and pasting not copy and paste

    4 Some shortcuts do not work when moved to a new location, to overcome this, open the folder that the shortcut is pointing to and right click the App and select "Create shortcut", this will create a new shortcut on the "Desktop", rename the new shortcut to remove the ".exe" extension, delete the non working shortcut and cut the new shortcut and paste into the relevant start menus folder.

    5 I found that sub-folders are transparent in the "All Apps in Start Menu" which shows the contents of the sub-folder but not the sub-folder itself.

    This what I found when re-arranging my Windows 10 "All Apps in Start Menu".
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  5.    17 Jan 2016 #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anleck View Post
    After prodding some cache files and registry entries without success I came arcoss this topic in the forum.

    Basically I made a temporary User account from my normal account. Used this (>) to enable the Administator account, also from my normal account.

    Sign into temp account.

    Make sure both User accounts (normal and the new temp one) are signed out.

    Sign into the Administrator account and enable hidden folders.

    Backup/rename the TileDataLayer folder in 'C:\Users\[user profile name]\AppData\Local' of my normal account. Then copy the TileDataLayer folder from the temp account to my normal account.

    Logout of the Admin account and into my normal account and check the start/all apps menus (which did reset back to default for me).

    Remove the temp account.

    Disable the Admin account.


    NOTES: On the first attempt I had not signed out of one or both of the user accounts and was informed that not all the files in the TileDataLayer folder could be copied as they were in use. Carried on and merged with a backup copy. This half worked (empty start/all apps menus (only power and all apps entries)).

    Upon the successful attempt the start menu was returned to default. All apps menu was fine and contained my installed apps folders and shortcuts, it also now contained entries for my portable apps that had no entries before ((including Grid ) but had been pinned to start)). EDIT: portable apps I had not pinned to start have no entries - obvious I guess.

    Tested with a throw away text file and the weirdness is still present so now to be sure/carefull about what I pin to start.

    Whilst I can't promise this will work for others, hopefully it will help some.
    Anleck you are the man! I have been bothered by this Windows 10 bug for several hours until I saw your message. You are right. Indeed this problem only happens if the shortcut is created onto Start Menu first. We must create the shortcut elsewhere, outside Program Files (which will put the shortcut directly onto Start), and outside the All App folder. For example, we better create the shortcut in a temp folder, then move the shortcut into the All App folder.

    For the programs that are already registered by Windows 10 on the tile view, it will always show up on the tile view no matter how we change the shortcut. I finally found an easier get around. Using Autoruns.exe as an example, I renamed it to "Autoruns2.exe" then create a shortcut in the temp folder (outside Program Files). Then move this shortcut to the All App list. This finally allows me to see Autoruns on the All App list.

    Thanks again Anleck. I just registered on this forum to say thank you and to share another get around
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  6.    02 Feb 2016 #55
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    On Windows 7 we could make subfolders, but I can't work it out on Win 10.

    I used to rearrange the folders created by their install programs to subfolders under the Programs folder named according to their kind.

    For example, on Start Menu, under the Programs folder I had a folder named Accessories. Under this Accessories folder I had subfolders, each for a different program, like "Better File Rename", "Mail Washer", "7-Zip" or "WinRar", as created by their respective installations.

    Now, this Win10 Start menu does not respect the install programs and just puts the shortcuts in alphabetic order. The subfolders under Programs\Accsessories (as the example above) are not respected, do not appear and I get everything mixed up on All apps in Start menu. Most often, I don't even know to which program which shortcut belongs.

    Is there a way to solve this Russian salad, please?


    Edit - I upgraded from Windows 7. Then, I had too many issues and reinstalled Windows 10 on top, keeping everything. The issues were gone.
    Last edited by Neophile; 02 Feb 2016 at 20:50.
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  7.    02 Feb 2016 #56
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    Hello Neophile,

    I've noticed that it only seems to work well when you add folders in the "Programs" folder, and not in any other folder.
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  8.    02 Feb 2016 #57
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    Thanks for trying to help, Brink.
    Then, if it is not possible to separate the programs, this menu is completely useless. In that case, what would you recommend to replace it, please?
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  9.    02 Feb 2016 #58

    Quote Originally Posted by Neophile View Post
    ........
    Then, if it is not possible to separate the programs, this menu is completely useless.........
    Amen, Neophile. I have a couple early posts in this thread and came to the same conclusion.

    Try Classic Shell. Free. It sure beats the daylights out of what Redmond decided we would like. I have mine set up to look pretty much like W7. And if you like to use tiles for a few items it allows you to switch back and forth at will.

    Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements
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  10.    02 Feb 2016 #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophile View Post
    Thanks for trying to help, Brink.
    Then, if it is not possible to separate the programs, this menu is completely useless. In that case, what would you recommend to replace it, please?
    You should be able to separate them by adding a new folder (A) in "Programs", then adding the app shortcut in the new folder (A). Another option is to only add the app shortcut in "Programs" instead.

    It only seems to be an issue if you add another new folder (B) in the new folder (A), and add the app shortcut in new folder (B).
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