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    Using Old Routers risk


    Last Updated: 06 May 2021 at 08:39
    Hi folks
    probably scare mongering but article from BBC today on danger of using old routers.

    Millions at security risk from old routers, Which? warns - BBC News

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  1. Try3's Avatar
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    The core of the Which article concerns the widespread use of unsupported routers, routers which are no longer receiving [firmware] security updates.
    - Whilst the Which investigation was focussed on routers supplied by ISPs, it seems to me that there is no particular reason to suppose that owners of privately-bought routers are any more likely to replace them when support ends or that owners are even likely to be aware that support has ended.
    - Which also mention that many people are still using the poor default passwords that their routers were supplied with.
    - Which also identified a serious security vulnerability in the EE Brightbox 2 router

    Perhaps the most important observation is that not all router makers [and ISPs who supply routers] have effective working relationships with security investigators [unlike OS publishers].
    - So, it seems to me, there is no justification for assuming that the absence of a security update indicates that no vulnerabilities exist.


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    Try3 said:
    The core of the Which article concerns the widespread use of unsupported routers, routers which are no longer receiving [firmware] security updates.
    - Whilst the Which investigation was focussed on routers supplied by ISPs, it seems to me that there is no particular reason to suppose that owners of privately-bought routers are any more likely to replace them when support ends or that owners are even likely to be aware that support has ended.
    - Which also mention that many people are still using the poor default passwords that their routers were supplied with.
    - Which also identified a serious security vulnerability in the EE Brightbox 2 router

    Perhaps the most important observation is that not all router makers [and ISPs who supply routers] have effective working relationships with security investigators [unlike OS publishers].
    - So, it seems to me, there is no justification for assuming that the absence of a security update indicates that no vulnerabilities exist.


    Denis
    Hi there
    @Try3

    I wonder how many people even know that routers can receive security updates at all. I think also the chances of typical people being competant enough to apply Firmware updates might cause more problems than it solves -- Bricked routers etc etc.

    It's in the ISP's interests I'd think to simply just send the customer a new router as and when required if they can't do the upgrade remotely themselves automatically--this must be surely far cheaper than having zillions of service personnel dealing with problems -- however I'm afraid recently for large corporations - there's a two word description of their dedication to their paying customers that have probably been removed from the English Dictionary (or equivalent in a lot of other languages too). " Customer Service".

    Offshored technicians being paid a few cents per hour might make the CEO's seem good for a few weeks for reducing "Costs" and make the balance sheet look good --then they collect their bonuses and move on - meanwhile the following year profits dip and the whole sorry exercise of "Cost Cutting" starts again while customers are left stranded "on the beach".

    I'm in no way a "Red revolutionary" but I do think something seems to smell not very nice in the way a load of big corporations conduct their business and how they treat their customers these days.

    I have a SKY Q box from the UK ("Don't ask me how please !!) and they can upgrade automatically via remote without problems -- just had an upgrade to get WDR ultra HD reception for SKY TV -- I don't obviously have SKY Internet here !! - so remote firmware upgrade is definitely possible.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. Steve C's Avatar
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    I have a 4 year old Virgin Media router. I get no feedback it has been updated and assume VM keep it up to date.
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  4. Try3's Avatar
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    Steve C said:
    I have a 4 year old Virgin Media router. I get no feedback it has been updated and assume VM keep it up to date.
    Steve,

    Virgin Media claim that 90% of their customers use their latest Hub 3 or Hub 4 routers.

    Unless Virgin support confirm that your router is still in support, Virgin claim that you can ask for a free replacement through their 'Connect app'.

    By the way, Virgin does invite security researchers to report router vulnerabilities.

    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 07 May 2021 at 08:56.
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  5. Ivan Petrov's Avatar
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    Mine is 3 years old Fritz!Box, not a new model but happy with it - nice interface and its automatic updates are not worse than WU ... Hope that will be safe to use for some time.

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  6. Brink's Avatar
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    Considering how much they want for these new high end routers, who wants to dump the old one.

    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-gt...?skuId=6453039
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  7. Josey Wales's Avatar
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    Brink said:
    Considering how much they want for these new high end routers, who wants to dump the old one.

    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-gt...?skuId=6453039
    I have a LINKSYS router with wi-fi and it is only 1 year old. Best Buy can keep their $549.99 router.
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  8. Steve C's Avatar
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    Try3 said:
    Steve,

    Virgin Media claim that 90% of their customers use their latest Hub 3 or Hub 4 routers.

    Unless Virgin support confirm that your router is still in support, Virgin claim that you can ask for a free replacement through their 'Connect app'.

    By the way, Virgin does invite security researchers to report router vulnerabilities.

    Denis
    I have an older Superhub router and have just upgraded for 'free' to the Hub 3 router which is hopefully more up to date.
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  9. Try3's Avatar
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    Steve C said:
    I have an older Superhub router and have just upgraded for 'free' to the Hub 3 router which is hopefully more up to date.
    Steve,

    You should be okay. The Which report only identified the Virgin Media Super Hub & Virgin Media Super Hub 2 as being out of support.

    All the best,
    Denis
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