Classic Shell no longer in development, and now open source

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  1.    07 Dec 2017 #41

    cereberus said: View Post
    I am afraid I despair when I read posts like this. A menu system is a means to an end, not the end itself.

    To me it is like saying, I don't like the steering wheel in this car, so I am going to use an older car even though it does not have aircon, electric windows etc.

    Having used the W10 menu extensively, I dislike using the old style win7 menus now whenever I have to on win7/8 pcs.
    Half empty? or Half full?

    it's just how one views it. I think changing a menu scheme doesn't mean you are throwing the car away just changing how it looks and handles

    Personally I use Start10 but many I know use Classic Shell. Would be interesting to see the totals on this mix.
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       07 Dec 2017 #42

    cereberus said: View Post
    Having used the W10 menu extensively, I dislike using the old style win7 menus now whenever I have to on win7/8 pcs.
    I've used the W10 menu extensively too (and like using it) but I don't feel uncomfortable in Win7 or XP (both of which I have on older kit that I still have a use for). 'Means to an end', as you say. It's all Windows NT under the bonnet.

    Cypher said:
    You get used to it, though. Your brain does the translating. I don't even see the code...
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       07 Dec 2017 #43

    Ivo has stopped development and will keep his fingers in it for a few more months. That does not mean it will suddenly stop working. On the chance that MS fiddles-up the APIs and under-the-hood stuff so bad, maybe it will run in 8 compatibility mode. Might lose some 10-related code Ivo has in it, but 95%+ will still be there. All is not lost......

    (I have Standalonestack2 running for my wife's lappy on FCU! Believe it or not! :))
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       08 Dec 2017 #44

    I actually prefer StartIsBack to Classic Shell. Seems snappier to me, and I can get the nice highlights on the taskbar buttons, which for some reason amuses me

    storageman said: View Post
    What is "Start 10" ? I've been using "startisback". It only costs a couple of bucks and they seem to be able to keep it going. Granted is is not "Classic Shell", of which I looked at but I found "startisback" when I got my first Win 8 machine. I had to do something because I could never become comfortable with the Start menu. I do use it for apps that I rarely use to keep the clutter down on the desktop, but beyond that I'm like many other contributors here, the only Windows App I use also is "MY RADAR", that I've used for years under Android devices.

    But if M.S. ends up hiding internals like IBM did back in the 70's, they will be sitting in a court room somewhere and like IBM paid their fines and published everything about MVS.

    JMHO
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       08 Dec 2017 #45

    LMiller7 said: View Post
    Win32 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. There are many large corporations that are using old Win32 applications and aren't prepared to update them. They form a huge part of the Windows 10 market and Microsoft is well aware of this.
    MS doesn't care about any of their users, including business (except Intel).
    If they did they wouldn't push garbage upgrades every few months and then drop support for W10 (earlier releases) after a couple of upgrades.

    They want to force everyone to make regular payments for Azure subscriptions.
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       08 Dec 2017 #46

    Hi,
    I'd sort of expect or assume any large business would be using enterprise licenses and MS would accommodate them as they already do by giving them all of the privacy...... settings they can disable.
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       08 Dec 2017 #47

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    MS doesn't care about any of their users, including business (except Intel).
    If they did they wouldn't push garbage upgrades every few months and then drop support for W10 (earlier releases) after a couple of upgrades.

    They want to force everyone to make regular payments for Azure subscriptions.
    The forum rules prevent me from replying to you as I would like to reply. Instead, I can only say that I disagree.

    Your fellow TF member and W10 enthusiast,

    Kari
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       08 Dec 2017 #48

    Forgive me but just glanced through this thread. Is enabling Desktop via taskbar, Toolbars, just the same as classic shell?
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       08 Dec 2017 #49

    Fabler2 said: View Post
    Forgive me but just glanced through this thread. Is enabling Desktop via taskbar, Toolbars, just the same as classic shell?
    To answer your question....short answer...no, not even close. CS is a Windows 7 like menu structure on steroids.
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       08 Dec 2017 #50

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    MS doesn't care about any of their users, including business (except Intel).
    If they did they wouldn't push garbage upgrades every few months and then drop support for W10 (earlier releases) after a couple of upgrades.

    They want to force everyone to make regular payments for Azure subscriptions.
    Microsoft cares about two major things in my opinion.

    1. Making money
    2. Keeping as many customers they can happy.

    No happy customers=no money.

    Many times I don't understand or agree with what Microsoft does but I do believe they want happy customers, just like any other company does.

    Jack
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