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  1.    15 Sep 2017 #11
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    These two links very neatly explain that everything I have been saying is complete rubbish.
    • All versions of Office 2016 now, it seems, update independently of Windows update unless Group Policy has been used to suppress this function within Office.
    • I had been following discussions of this issue very closely during Office 2016's Preview period but it now seems that the situation changed radically in its final release yet I did not notice.


    This article describes the Registry key involved in disabling automatic Office CTR updating - Automatic updating for Office 2013 and Office 2016 Click-to-Run is not enabled whilst this article seems to say [right at the end] that you can just as well disable them through the UI [as illustrated in my earlier post] - How to revert to an earlier version of Office 2013 or Office 2016 Click-to-Run

    1. There is further clarification in Office 2016 Click-To-Run Service - Is it necessary [see all Rohn007 posts]. I have been seeing highly competent advice from Rohn007 for several years in that forum so I believe that his conclusions about CTR are valid - that CTR can be disabled without penalty other than the necessity of running updates another way.
    2. He did not check whether Windows update then carried out updating correctly for Office 2016 once CTR was disabled.
    3. The other MS products checkbox would need to be set in Settings, Update, Advanced options.
    4. The fact that they are all listed in the Microsoft update catalog makes me think that WU will do it correctly but I have no means of checking that - Microsoft Update Catalog - Office 2016 updates {I ditched Office 2016 earlier this year}.
    5. The posts by PABear, another competent contributor, makes me doubt that WU takes over the job but the thread is somewhat ambiguous leading up to his statement - Windows 10 Pro and Office 2016 Updates
    6. This thread explains that another step is needed after setting the other MS products checkbox - Office 2016 not receiving updates - but I think that only applies to volume licences
    7. In another rather dated thread, another highly competent contributor [Sumit Dhiman] explains & posts screenshot that demonstrates that WU does handle Office updates even though it spawns a separate dialog whilst doing so - Why the updates for Office 2016 not offered through windows update
    8. In this recent thread, an OP reported that the firewall was blocking CTR yet Office updated anyway. This leads me to think that WU must have taken over the job. - Office 2016 list of updates location You might notice the warning by Palcouk, another highly competent contributor, that each Office update is large because it is in essence a complete replacement not merely a delta.
    9. This OP reported that WU definitely has not been updating Office 2016 - Office 2016 updates - WU does not update Office 2016



    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 15 Sep 2017 at 16:02.
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  2.    16 Sep 2017 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Try3 View Post
    "Office installed all updates without error" - Office shouldn't be doing any updating. It should be leaving it to WU.

    Can you check that you do not have Click-to-run [CTR]? I do not see how you could be. Do you have the update section shown below - File menu, Office account? It should not be there.
    Attachment 153504

    Denis
    I have that update section in Office 2016?! Is that reserved for which Office version?
    Unchecked the box in WU settings, give updates to other MS products. lets see how it goes with that. Most important part that I receive the updates and don't get errors in WU.
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  3.    16 Sep 2017 #13
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    About "Is that reserved for which Office version?" - sorry, I do not understand what you are asking.
    • It was introduced with Office 2010 or 2013 and manages updates for the version of Office in which it exists.
    • I do not know how it copes with multiple Office versions being installed but I would guess it does not even know they are there.
    • You could try searching that msanswers forum for any explanations there or you would look in the links I gave you in my large post [whilst it was not what I was looking for at the time, I think the link to posts by Rohn007 mentioned this topic].


    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 16 Sep 2017 at 08:38.
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  4.    16 Sep 2017 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Try3 View Post
    About "Is that reserved for which Office version?" - sorry, I do not understand what you are asking.
    Denis
    I mean when I have the update buttons in Office, are those buttons supposed to be on click to run or on retail OEM versions of Office or on both versions?
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  5.    16 Sep 2017 #15
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    It is apparently on both - Office 365 & outright purchases. That's why I had to post that
    These two links very neatly explain that everything I have been saying is complete rubbish.
    explanation.

    By the way, the way to describe what you have is that it was bought outright. Then people will know it is not an Office 365 subscription.
    • Describing it as retail OEM is a contradiction in terms.
      • Retail would describe a full licence you bought separately and for which you had the right to remove it & reinstall it on another computer if you wanted.
      • OEM would normally be used to describe a licence that you had received for software that had been pre-installed by the computer maker with limited rights to use it only on their computer [so that you were not allowed to remove it and install on another computer instead].


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  6.    17 Sep 2017 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Try3 View Post
    Describing it as retail OEM is a contradiction in terms.

      • Retail would describe a full licence you bought separately and for which you had the right to remove it & reinstall it on another computer if you wanted.
      • OEM would normally be used to describe a licence that you had received for software that had been pre-installed by the computer maker with limited rights to use it only on their computer [so that you were not allowed to remove it and install on another computer instead].



    Denis
    Yes, my mistake. It's OEM that I have, installed on one computer and tied to mobo.
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