Windows 10: AOMEI Backerupper

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  1.    12 Sep 2016 #1

    AOMEI Backerupper


    Just did a clean install of the latest Win10 and tried to install Backerupper but with the latest (1607) of Win 10 the OS is really tightened up on installing any software with un-signed drivers.........

    My motherboard will not allow turning off of Secure Boot so there is no way around the problem.....

    I contacted AOMEI and they said they are going to address this issue with their next update........

    Found the same problem with the latest Paragon Backup & Recovery 16........

    Looks like MS is going all out with security which I realize is a good thing...........

    The latest Macrium Reflect will install which is my number one go to Image software anyways.....
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    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       12 Sep 2016 #2

    Kipper, are you talking about the insider version of 1607? I have Paragon backup as well as Paragon Hard Disk Manager 15 installed and both work fine. I'm running 1607 14393.105. I don't use AOEMI, so I can't speak to that.
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  3.    12 Sep 2016 #3

    Hi Steve

    The latest version of Win10 that I downloaded with the media creation tool 2 days ago and when I did the fresh install it did an update via update in settings...........settings show build 1607......

    Last month I did a fresh install with the current Win10 build that was available then and installed AOMEI without any problems...

    The only paragon program I tried to install on this new install was the new release of Backup and Recovery......

    I am thinking that only software that tries to install un-signed drivers to any of the system folders is where the problem is.......

    There are some work around methods to get the software installed but you have to disable Secure Boot and then delete some of the keys from withing the secure boot settings in the BIOS.........a lot of work to go through and then loose the advantage of the security of the Secure Boot procedures.......
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    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       12 Sep 2016 #4

    I know you can boot into safe mode without driver enforcement. I've never tried it, so how it would affect Secure Boot, I don't know. It makes no mention of it.
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  5.    12 Sep 2016 #5

    Yes.......but once you reboot secure boot is back in play and the software installed while in safe mode will not work..........

    I personally will just wait for AOMEI to get the drivers verified and digitally signed with MS.........

    Had I known about this happening I would have set the system up for Legacy and just installed Win 10 that way which puts Secure Boot out of the equation..........Oh well, for the sake of security I am going to have to learn how to be patient.........LOL
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  6.    12 Sep 2016 #6

    You can still temporarily disable driver enforcement by doing an advanced restart from recovery menus.

    Macrium Reflect Free is fine and this is top favourite on this forum - see recent poll.
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  7.    12 Sep 2016 #7

    Thanks cereberus

    As I mentioned; I have Reflect Pro installed as well as To-Do Backup...........so I am covered.

    Just thought I would let others know who might be using AOMEI that with fresh installs they will have to jump through hoops to get it installed until they get their drivers digitally signed.
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  8.    12 Sep 2016 #8

    kipper said: View Post
    Thanks cereberus

    As I mentioned; I have Reflect Pro installed as well as To-Do Backup...........so I am covered.

    Just thought I would let others know who might be using AOMEI that with fresh installs they will have to jump through hoops to get it installed until they get their drivers digitally signed.

    Missed last sentence - was reading on mobile :-).
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  9.    13 Sep 2016 #9

    kipper said: View Post
    Just did a clean install of the latest Win10 and tried to install Backerupper but with the latest (1607) of Win 10 the OS is really tightened up on installing any software with un-signed drivers.........

    My motherboard will not allow turning off of Secure Boot so there is no way around the problem.....

    I contacted AOMEI and they said they are going to address this issue with their next update........

    Found the same problem with the latest Paragon Backup & Recovery 16........

    Looks like MS is going all out with security which I realize is a good thing...........

    The latest Macrium Reflect will install which is my number one go to Image software anyways.....

    Hi there

    are you really sure you can't turn off secure boot --- this is NOT the same as turning off UEFI.

    You might not see it as such in the BIOS menu but there surely is an option similar to "Enable Legacy Boot". There might be a password required also in the BIOS to see the whole menu or an "Advanced settings" selection.

    I can't believe that they would make normal laptops so restrictive as that -- and in some cases it could be regarded as illegal if you couldn't load any other OS (for example stand alone restore programs, partition managers, Linux, another version of Windows etc).

    Of course thin clients and specific products such as a chromebook are exceptions as these are dedicated devices but a standard laptop which can't disable secure boot -- I've never come across that one and would avoid it like the plague if I did.

    (I think even on the latest Surface Pro 4 you can disable protected boot so I'm really surprised that there's no option to switch it off on your computer).

    Ideally though if Secure boot is to be useful it should allow external OS'es -- I thought the whole point of secure boot was simply to have in the BIOS microcode (before the OS loads) a check on whether the OS being loaded was "valid" - in this case you really should have no trouble booting known variants of Linux and Backup software such as Macrium.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10.    13 Sep 2016 #10

    Hi Jimbo

    This is a desktop..........yes, you can set the board to load legacy and install Win that way which will turn off Secure Boot........which would be fine for me since I will not be doing any dual booting.......

    However, once you install Win with UEFI then the board no longer will allow simply to turn off Secure Boot..........as I said there are work arounds such as deleting the secure boot keys from within UEFI but that seems like a lot of trouble just to install software like Backerupper when AOMEI will surely be working on getting their drivers registered and signed with MS....

    Looking around at this unsigned driver problem coupled with the new processors from AMD and Intel only being available to use with Win 10 it looks to me that MS is really tightening down in all ways to push Win 10 on the masses.........I am not trying to bash MS or AOMEI with this post.........just thought I would put what I found out to the forum in case others find themselves with this situation should they want to use AOMEI or the new Paragon Backup & Restore software.......

    As I mentioned Macrium Reflect installs correctly and works perfectly with the latest version of Win10 and that is my main imaging software so I am comfortable........I prefer Backerupper to the other imaging software and would rather use it for my safety blanket and have two images saved with different programs just in case Reflect ever does fail me.........
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