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  1. Joined : Jul 2016
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10
       27 Jul 2016 #21

    Lange666 said: View Post
    The entire problem starts with the shield overlay on "some" icons and when you are trying to get rid of them as they are annoying to say the least.
    The shield overlay on an icon normally tells you that there are restrictions in using the program behind the icon.
    The problem is that the overlay does appear irregular and not depending on your account. This irregular appearance is for me a Windows 10 bug which already existed since Windows 8.0 (and maybe before, can't remember that far back).
    Sometimes they are there after in installation of a program, sometimes they only appear after a reboot, sometimes they appear after an update etc... and it doesn't matter if you have an administrator account or not, even if you have only one account on your PC with full admin rights they appear on some programs, no matter how you install the program or if you turned UAC off or on.

    This shield is annoying because it "destroy's" the beauty of the icon.
    One solution found on the net to get rid of them is the UAC: Admin Approval Mode for the built in Admin Account.
    But that leaves you with the topic starters problem.

    But there's another solution, you can use the same trick as used to get rid of the shortcut arrow.
    I haven't found a free one yet to do so (they only offer the option to remove the shortcut arrow) but the payware MircoAngelo On Display offers the option to remove the shield icon.

    Mind that this does not change the behaviour of the icon. If it originally had a shield on it, it will come with restrictions. These user restrictions are still there, only the overlay is removed.
    Thanks for the reply.
    This is very very strange. I downloaded the program and selected shields off option to remove shields from shortcuts, restarted the explorer and to my surprise some of the icons still had the shield and some got rid of it. For example I have a game "Dead island", initially it had the shield, when I disabled it in downloaded program, it dissapeared, but on the other hand fraps still has the shield.
    Also there are differences between shortcuts, what I mean by that is that when I right click on fraps for example, go to properties, press change icon, and press ok, the admin prompt appears as shown in my earlier post. And when I try to do the same with Dead island, it doesn't require me to approve for admin rights to change the icon.
    What the hell is going on lol?
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,519
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jul 2016 #22

    The small shield on top of an icon is very important, telling that the program needs to and will be run elevated. It is absolutely not an irregular phenomena.

    For me that reminder, to clearly see which programs need to be run elevated is far more important than the aesthetics of an icon.

    For the same reason I do not remove shortcut overlays in icons; that is for me a clear indicator that I can delete, remove it from desktop whenever I want to without affecting a program underneath. Without shortcut overlays I could accidentally delete a program executable file, the icon not telling me if it's a shortcut or executable.
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  3. Joined : Jul 2016
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10
       27 Jul 2016 #23

    Kari said: View Post
    The small shield on top of an icon is very important, telling that the program needs to and will be run elevated. It is absolutely not an irregular phenomena.

    For me that reminder, to clearly see which programs need to be run elevated is far more important than the aesthetics of an icon.

    For the same reason I do not remove shortcut overlays in icons; that is for me a clear indicator that I can delete, remove it from desktop whenever I want to without affecting a program underneath. Without shortcut overlays I could accidentally delete a program executable file, the icon not telling me if it's a shortcut or executable.
    If there was an option I would completely agree with you, but now when I'm bound to it with no way of disabling it, it bugs the hell out of me..
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  4. Joined : Jul 2016
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10
       27 Jul 2016 #24

    I think I just discovered something! Found on google.
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\System

    and change the value of key EnableLUA to 0
    That disabled the prompt for admin rights and removed the shield. I still don't know if I solved it, I just need to install more programs and fully confirm it.

    Edit: Nope it turns out this just disables the policy....Sh**......
    Last edited by Lazarus23; 27 Jul 2016 at 08:52.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2016
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10
       27 Jul 2016 #25

    Another discovery.
    Uninstalled Fraps, installed again and the shield is gone, but the prompt for permission is still there. Still can't say I solved it, always something bad happens to me...
    Still testing..
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  6. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 25
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jul 2016 #26

    Kari said: View Post
    The small shield on top of an icon is very important, telling that the program needs to and will be run elevated. It is absolutely not an irregular phenomena.
    For me that reminder, to clearly see which programs need to be run elevated is far more important than the aesthetics of an icon.
    It's the irregularity of one icon having a shield and the other doesn't that makes it weird.
    Like i said, i have only one (1) account on my PC, full admin rights, still some programs have the shield overlay, others don't although they are all installed in the same manner and under the same account with the same rights.
    Just a little example on the irregularity. I have a flightsim on my PC called DCS (Digital Combat Simulator). The release version is currently on version 1.5.4. The icon does not carry a shield.
    Then there can be modules (aircraft) installed into that flightsim. One of those modules is a Russian attack helicopter, the KA-50. To install the 1.5.4 version of this module into DCS, one needs to install the older standalone version of the KA-50 first. If this is installed, all KA-50 standalone icons carry a shield. After that, i can install the latest version into DCS1.5.4 (it looks if the the standalone is actualy there) which then doesn't need the standalone anymore after that. Nothing within DCS will say that that version in there needs a higher evelation to be used or moved or whatever. But the standalone will.
    Then there is DCS2.0.2 which is currently in aplha state and can be installed alongside release version DCS1.5.4. The icon for DCS2.0.2 didn't not carry a shield either. All is OK but after a boot or 3 all of a sudden that specific icon turns up with a shield overlay. Nothing has changed, nothing has been updated only the shield is there. The question is why!!!
    After that same boot, some icon which carried a shield all of a sudden don't have a shield anymore.
    All this happens within one account with full admin rights. I could understand the shield thingy if i didn't had only one account and full admin rights but that is not the case.
    The only difference i currently see between shielded and non-shielded stuff is that if i want to do anything with it (move it or open it) it will always ask for confirmation. And i never get rejected. Then this raises the question on why it has to ask me this. I bought the program, i installed it and i registered it. So why bother me with an elevation shield and the stupid questions. Why if everything is installed in the same manner and with the same account with full admin rights. And it is there that people get annoyed and start to look for a cause or a solution and it is then that you have problems like the topic starter has.
    The same problem already existed within Windows 8 and is ported over to Windows 10. For me this behaviour is a bug.
    Just read Lazarus post above mine, that's another example of the shield screw up.

    BTW, can you tell me what makes the difference of having or not having a shield overlay on an icon?


    Kari said: View Post
    For the same reason I do not remove shortcut overlays in icons; that is for me a clear indicator that I can delete, remove it from desktop whenever I want to without affecting a program underneath. Without shortcut overlays I could accidentally delete a program executable file, the icon not telling me if it's a shortcut or executable.
    If you know what is on your desktop and keep it clean you don't need a reminder to know what is what. At least i don't so i don't need a shortcutarrow for telling me it's a shortcut.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,519
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jul 2016 #27

    Lange666 said: View Post
    BTW, can you tell me what makes the difference of having or not having a shield overlay on an icon?
    I have already told that:
    Kari said: View Post
    The small shield on top of an icon is very important, telling that the program needs to and will be run elevated.

    Lange666 said: View Post
    If you know what is on your desktop and keep it clean you don't need a reminder to know what is what. At least i don't so i don't need a shortcutarrow for telling me it's a shortcut.
    All my working life I have been involved in instructing users to use they computers. I would never instruct a newbie, an average PC user that "Don't care about shortcut overlays, you will always remember which is shortcut and which not".

    In my posts here at Ten Forums and our sister sites Seven Forums and Eight Forums I try to compose my replies and recommendations thinking that quite a many users directly rely on exact instructions, someone else telling them exactly what to do. In ideal world every user would automatically know what to do when we suggest he / she should run, for examples' sake let's say DISM Cleanup, but in reality we have to explain it very carefully and detailed, as if the OP knew nothing.

    That's why, thinking of an average Jane or Joe I repeat it now here, and will repeat it in the future if asked: The shortcut overlay is there to visually show that it is a shortcut, not a program executable of physical folder. I do not recommend removing them.

    BTW, it's not Microsoft and Windows deciding which shortcuts or icons show the shield overlay. It's the coders, makers of the program who make it require elevated privileges. If it needs to be run elevated, the shield is shown. Logical, no irregularities here.

    Kari
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  8. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 25
    Windows 10 Pro
       28 Jul 2016 #28

    Kari said: View Post
    BTW, it's not Microsoft and Windows deciding which shortcuts or icons show the shield overlay. It's the coders, makers of the program who make it require elevated privileges. If it needs to be run elevated, the shield is shown. Logical, no irregularities here.
    I can 100% understand the need for this if there where 2 (or more) accounts used on the same computer where at least one is not given all the rights the other accounts have. But not on a computer where there is only one account and that account has full admin rights. I might even understand that the vendor/creator of the software puts up a shield on it's icons to tell/prevent the user from doing certain stuff, even if that user has full admin rights.

    But...

    If i install program A, B and C and it's icons do not carry a shield and i then install program D and after this all of a sudden the icons of program A and C carry a shield and B and D do not. This would mean that the installation of program D changed the elevation of programs A and C but not B, even if none of these programs are in any way related to each other.
    When something like this happens, i start to ask myself a question on why suddenly some icons have a shield overlay which they didn't have before and why others don't. And that is also the problem the topic starter had. There is not always a line to draw in this behavior. And that's why it is for it's irregular or inconsistent. Even more when the icon database is refreshed and the shield overlays change again.
    I never had a problem with this under 98, XP or 7 but since Windows 8 (Windows changed it's policy regarding UAC) it's a bit of a mess. Again, i can understand the need and the why on a multiple user computer but not on a single user computer where the user granted himself full admin rights.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,519
    Windows 10 Pro
       28 Jul 2016 #29

    Lange666 said: View Post
    If i install program A, B and C and it's icons do not carry a shield and i then install program D and after this all of a sudden the icons of program A and C carry a shield and B and D do not. This would mean that the installation of program D changed the elevation of programs A and C but not B, even if none of these programs are in any way related to each other.
    That does never happen. I think it's time for you to start checking the health of your Windows, in worst case reinstall. The shield overlay is shown in icon when program needs to be run elevated. A Windows software installer does not change permissions or privileges of other software. Exception of course add-on installers and such which need access to their parent application to get installed.
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  10. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 25
    Windows 10 Pro
       28 Jul 2016 #30

    That did and does happen, on a new fresh Windows 10 install on new clean SSD (and no, not with hacked or infected software).
    And for the record, i do know my way around a PC since i always build them myself, i got more then enough experience how to install stuff. Time to get your head out of your butt...
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