1.    12 Apr 2016 #1
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Adobe CS6 Bridge and Photoshop performance not great.


    Just thought I would share my experiences with CS6 Master Suite on Windows 10 Pro (64)

    I performed a clean install of Windows 10 (64) on my main image/video editing system (I'm a pro photographer). I installed it on a Samsung 250pro SSD which I can easily swap out of my case via a mobile rack so I can keep Windows 7 on a separate SSD and swap the OS's more simply (safely) than creating a dual-boot system. My files and app's cache folders are on two WD Raptor drives and I'm using an ASUS P9X79-DLX motherboard, Core i7-3930K processor and 32GB RAM.

    I ended up doing 2 installs of Win10 as the 1st one was corrupted for some reason and I posted threads on the 'Graphics Cards' driver section and another thread in 'Drivers and Hardware' trying to resolve bad NVidia driver issues as well as motherboard chipset drivers that may or may not have caused problems. I was getting terrible performance from Adobe Bridge(64) and disk errors were being reported whenever I booted back to Win7 where it would scan my drives for errors on startup and find/fix corrupted files. Scary stuff...

    The second clean install is a LOT more stable, having avoided the bad NVidia driver, and I no longer get any disk errors reports when booting back to Windows 7. It seems smooth and stable EXCEPT Bridge(64) still hiccups a bit when working on folders of RAW files (eg: 50-100x 12MP-24MP RAW images). Clicking on some image thumbnails or clicking on pull-down menus causes slight delays that are just not there with Windows 7. It's the same CS6 apps, the same folders of RAW images. I spend so much time editing images on this system I know how it's supposed to 'feel', and it just does not feel right. Something is not running on all cylinders.

    I'm now back to using Windows 7 and will re-boot Windows 10 in a couple of months to see what updates have come out from Microsoft, NVidia or Asus that might address the reduced performance that I'm seeing.

    Otherwise Windows 10 seems just fine and I've configured it to work and behave pretty well the same as Windows 7. I think it just needs a bit more time to ripen and it will hopefully be an OS that I can use with confidence.

    (my system specs are in my profile)

    Russell
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  2.    12 Apr 2016 #2

    Quote Originally Posted by RPmtl View Post
    Just thought I would share my experiences with CS6 Master Suite on Windows 10 Pro (64)

    I performed a clean install of Windows 10 (64) on my main image/video editing system (I'm a pro photographer). I installed it on a Samsung 250pro SSD which I can easily swap out of my case via a mobile rack so I can keep Windows 7 on a separate SSD and swap the OS's more simply (safely) than creating a dual-boot system. My files and app's cache folders are on two WD Raptor drives and I'm using an ASUS P9X79-DLX motherboard, Core i7-3930K processor and 32GB RAM.

    I ended up doing 2 installs of Win10 as the 1st one was corrupted for some reason and I posted threads on the 'Graphics Cards' driver section and another thread in 'Drivers and Hardware' trying to resolve bad NVidia driver issues as well as motherboard chipset drivers that may or may not have caused problems. I was getting terrible performance from Adobe Bridge(64) and disk errors were being reported whenever I booted back to Win7 where it would scan my drives for errors on startup and find/fix corrupted files. Scary stuff...

    The second clean install is a LOT more stable, having avoided the bad NVidia driver, and I no longer get any disk errors reports when booting back to Windows 7. It seems smooth and stable EXCEPT Bridge(64) still hiccups a bit when working on folders of RAW files (eg: 50-100x 12MP-24MP RAW images). Clicking on some image thumbnails or clicking on pull-down menus causes slight delays that are just not there with Windows 7. It's the same CS6 apps, the same folders of RAW images. I spend so much time editing images on this system I know how it's supposed to 'feel', and it just does not feel right. Something is not running on all cylinders.

    I'm now back to using Windows 7 and will re-boot Windows 10 in a couple of months to see what updates have come out from Microsoft, NVidia or Asus that might address the reduced performance that I'm seeing.

    Otherwise Windows 10 seems just fine and I've configured it to work and behave pretty well the same as Windows 7. I think it just needs a bit more time to ripen and it will hopefully be an OS that I can use with confidence.

    (my system specs are in my profile)

    Russell
    Hi there.

    Most of these sorts of problems aren't generally caused by lack of CPU power or RAM on modern computers but SLOW DISKS -- especially if you still have IDE 5400 RPM spinners. Even SATA HDD's can be poor if they aren't 7200 RPM and come with small or zero cache.

    Poor HDD performance is usually the most overlooked reason why Computers run slowly.

    For Photoshop - put all the SCRATCH / WORK files on SSD's - put your OS on an SSD as well.
    You will be surprised at how much better performance you will get using an SSD -- even on quite modest gear.

    If you can't use SSD's put your scratch files on the HDD's with the least amount of concurrent usage.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3.    13 Apr 2016 #3
    Join Date : Nov 2015
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    Hi Jimbo,

    Much of your advice is correct, but I would disagree about using an SSD for files and Photoshop's scratch or other cache needs as it needlessly abuses the SSD and does not really increase Photoshop's performance enough to warrant the expense. I've tested using an SSD for Photoshop's scratch in the past and the performance increase was not enough to warrant wasting an SSD. Also, image and video files can be very large, so the cost of a 500GB SSD is a lot more than a 10000RPM WD WD600GLFS or WD300GLFS drives (the WD Raptors) that run almost as fast an an SSD but don't suffer from limited write cycles. That's why I recommend that SSDs be used only for the OS and the Apps and to move all chores that involve frequent re-writing to a fast traditional drive. All my personal folders (Desktop, Pictures, Videos, Documents, etc..) are re-located to the hard drive. This also keeps the size of the data stored on the SSD as small as possible, keeps re-writing data to a minimum, and makes backing up easy and fast. Keeping all my data files on a separate drive also simplifies it's backup and I can share the same data with Windows 7 when I swap out the SSD.

    When running the Retouch Artist Photoshop speed test this system rated close to a top of the line Mac Pro even though it's not running dual Xeon's. It is a fast system and there's nothing wrong with the HD performance.

    fwiw I've been using Photoshop professionally since v2.5, beta tested for Adobe from CS4 through CS6 (until CC made the whole world their unwilling beta testers), have built my own computers since the days of the old 8086 and 8088's. I do know Photoshop exceptionally well and performance issues I'm seeing in Windows 10 on this system is less that of slowness but one of stuttering. Everything will work fine one minute and then suddenly pull-down menus will become unresponsive. Selecting multiple thumbnails in Bridge will cause a 1 second pause and then it will be fine again. There's something going on that is software related as the same hardware works smoothly without hesitation with Windows 7.

    My suspicion is that it's either a SATA driver issue or the video card driver under Windows 10. I use an even newer NVidia driver version in Windows 7 and there's no problem there.

    So --- it has nothing to do with using 5400rpm drives nor having a system that is not optimized for Photoshop.

    R :-)
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  4.    27 Apr 2016 #4
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    Thread Starter

    When I have some time in the next week or so I'll remove/uninstall the Nvidia Gforce GTX 750 Ti card and replace it with a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD7750 that's sitting on my shelf doing nothing. It's perhaps a step back in performance from the Nvidia card. But it will confirm if the performance issues I'm experiencing with Windows 10 are due to poor Nvidia drivers or something else.
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  5.    10 Jun 2016 #5
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    Thread Starter

    Well I decided to just upgrade my older x79 chipset system and now everything's working fine with the same video card - but with a new x99 chipset motherboard and a new Broadwell-e processor. Using 'new tech' parts with a 'new tech' OS is working fine and performing better than the previous build. Windows 10 seems even quicker overall than Windows 7 on the same system.
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