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  1. Joined : Aug 2015
    Kenilworth
    Posts : 85
    Windows 10, 7, XP, 98
       28 Dec 2015 #1

    Tape backup software for Windows 10


    OK I've got external HDDs, but not enough to store all my systems, so I have an HP Ultrium 460 LTO tape drive.

    What software do you recommend for tape bckup on Windows 10? I tried Easeus Todo backup trial but that was painfully slow. Acronis Advanced Backup is rather expensive, and has a rep for being buggy. Symantec Backup Exec is also $$$ and needs a Windows Server to install so that doesn't work either.

    I'm looking for backup to tape (or D2D2T) with a "bare metal restore" capability, freeware would be good, but I'm not averse to payware! What do the mavens here recommend?

    Thanks a lot,
    Dave
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  2. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 95
    win 10 pro
       28 Dec 2015 #2

    I did not use backup payware , I use Easeus Todo Backup Free, I've been using it several years with several PCs and have had no issues with the freeware ,so I mention it FWIW.
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  3. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 345
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 32-bit 10586
       29 Dec 2015 #3

    According to the quick spec sheet I read about that unit no matter what software you use its going to be painfully slow
    Feature List:

    • 200 GB native capacity on a single tape, 400 GB at 2:1 compression
    • 30 MB/s data transfer rate (native) with Data Rate Matching to accommodate host speeds between 10 MB/s and 30 MB/sec
    • Internal and external configurations


    • Cartridge memory in media to improve access time and provide enhanced media monitoring.
    Source:
    http://vb.net/products/HP/11530_div.html
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  4. Joined : Aug 2015
    Kenilworth
    Posts : 85
    Windows 10, 7, XP, 98
       29 Dec 2015 #4

    Maybe not a zippy as an LTO-6 drive but still plenty fast for me - typical data rate I was getting with an old release of Acronis ABR was 30-110MB/s typically around 50MB/s. When I said painfully slow, I meant about 10-20% of that on average (often sat there not talking to the tape drive at all, while ABR would stream continuously).

    Dave
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  5.    29 Dec 2015 #5

    sml156 said: View Post
    According to the quick spec sheet I read about that unit no matter what software you use its going to be painfully slow

    Source:
    http://vb.net/products/HP/11530_div.html

    Hi there

    second that as well.

    Either you'll have to buy very expensive professional tape systems or IMO much cheaper to go for USB3 external drives or even sata. In theory you could get 6GB/sec (assuming your HDD's and I/O bus on the mobo could handle it.

    Large capacity HDD's are reasonably cheap these days -- how much data are you talking about here as 12 TB of fast(ish) HDD space will be a LOT cheaper than a professional grade tape backup system with a whole slew of cartridges.

    Windows or Linux can both handle fast backups if the mobo and peripherals are capable. Your problem is more likely to be hardware related than software.

    Don't forget also if you are backing up FROM HDD's then slow HDD's with slow read times etc will kill any tape backup system -- the tape has to wait for the HDD whereas you can get away with slowish HDD's on HDD-->HDD backup.

    That's why commercial banks etc pay top dollar for very fast SCSI HDD's etc and use dedicated backup servers. Typical consumer grade HDD's are no good if you want to backup to tape -- not unless you are creating the world's first Y3K (year 3000 !!) project because that's how long it will take once you start backing up several TB of data with slow peripherals and a domestic / consumer grade computer system.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. Joined : Aug 2015
    Kenilworth
    Posts : 85
    Windows 10, 7, XP, 98
       29 Dec 2015 #6

    Me - slow HDDs - not a chance - I use SAS 15K HDDs on the desktops and SSD + 7200 SATA in the lappie.

    BTW, the SATA bandwidth is NOT 6GB/s it is 6Gb/s (gigabits/second). This translates to a peak transfer rate of around 300MB/s from an SSD and up to around 130MB/s maximum from a 7200 SATA HD. So my "slow" LTO tape pretty much keeps up with the disks.

    Dave
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  7. Joined : Aug 2014
    Forever West
    Posts : 2,602
    Win10 Home and Pro, Win10 Insider Preview, Win7 Home, Linux Mint
       29 Dec 2015 #7

    perdrix said: View Post
    I'm looking for backup to tape (or D2D2T) with a "bare metal restore" capability, freeware would be good, but I'm not averse to payware! What do the mavens here recommend?
    Whatever software you decide upon should also include a feature to create a bootable disc to comply with the "bare metal restore" desire. Also involved is whether the computer uses the BIOS or UEFI boot process as the software needs to support it. There's probably more to it but I tried to keep it simple. I gave up on my Colorado Tape Backup system after going to Windows 95 but it worked fine for MS-DOS with Windows 3.1 albeit slow. It did come with a bootable floppy disk for restoring to a formatted but empty drive.
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  8. Joined : Dec 2015
    Posts : 2,458
    Windows10
       30 Dec 2015 #8

    Macrium Reflect Free is about twice as fast as Easeus Todo.

    It supports differential backups as well ie you only need to backup changes since last full backup. You can schedule the backups.

    If you have a lot of data, you should really have it on a different drive to OS and programs, then you only need to image backup os drive say weekly or monthly.

    Then use file history backup to backup data drive (to an external drive if you like), and do this automatically. First time will take a while, but thereafter it is quick as it only backs up incremental changes.
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  9.    30 Dec 2015 #9

    perdrix said: View Post
    Me - slow HDDs - not a chance - I use SAS 15K HDDs on the desktops and SSD + 7200 SATA in the lappie.

    BTW, the SATA bandwidth is NOT 6GB/s it is 6Gb/s (gigabits/second). This translates to a peak transfer rate of around 300MB/s from an SSD and up to around 130MB/s maximum from a 7200 SATA HD. So my "slow" LTO tape pretty much keeps up with the disks.

    Dave

    Hi there

    confused with difference between 6GB/s and 6Gb/s aren't they both 6 gigabits / sec. Anyway that's what I meant. !!

    The actual problem I think you have is that the system isn't buffering up the data read from the HDD's enough so once the tape system has to wait for I/O you are basically stuffed -- tape has to stop, reposition etc etc or it wil just skip data until the next block from the HDD is ready.

    I'd suggest you have a look at how some of these cloud / other commercial servers do their backups -- a robust tape system won't be cheap. Not sure if you could get anything like 200 mb/s data transfer rate on to an LTO cartridge.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. Joined : Dec 2015
    Posts : 2,458
    Windows10
       30 Dec 2015 #10

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    confused with difference between 6GB/s and 6Gb/s aren't they both 6 gigabits / sec. Anyway that's what I meant. !!

    The actual problem I think you have is that the system isn't buffering up the data read from the HDD's enough so once the tape system has to wait for I/O you are basically stuffed -- tape has to stop, reposition etc etc or it wil just skip data until the next block from the HDD is ready.

    I'd suggest you have a look at how some of these cloud / other commercial servers do their backups -- a robust tape system won't be cheap. Not sure if you could get anything like 200 mb/s data transfer rate on to an LTO cartridge.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Hard to take your reply seriously if you do not know difference betweem GB and Gb.

    FYI

    B=byte

    b=bit.

    and

    1 byte equals 8 bits.
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