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  1.    04 Jan 2015 #1
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    True Crypt Encrypted OS with SSD & SATA HDD


    Hi, can anyone please let me know if it is possible to create a True Crypt Encrypted OS when using a SSD and a Sata HDD installed. When creating the 2 OS with one encrypted on just one HDD that is partitioned it works perfectly, but as soon as I add an SSD with one OS it wont work...am I just overlooking something ? I am not sure if this is only on Win 10 or all other Windows versions also the case.
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  2.    05 Jan 2015 #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejager183 View Post
    Hi, can anyone please let me know if it is possible to create a True Crypt Encrypted OS when using a SSD and a Sata HDD installed. When creating the 2 OS with one encrypted on just one HDD that is partitioned it works perfectly, but as soon as I add an SSD with one OS it wont work...am I just overlooking something ? I am not sure if this is only on Win 10 or all other Windows versions also the case.

    Hi dj,

    Take a look at the TrueCrypt page:
    WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues

    This page exists only to help migrate existing data encrypted by TrueCrypt.

    The development of TrueCrypt was ended in 5/2014 after Microsoft terminated support of Windows XP. Windows 8/7/Vista and later offer integrated support for encrypted disks and virtual disk images. Such integrated support is also available on other platforms (click here for more information). You should migrate any data encrypted by TrueCrypt to encrypted disks or virtual disk images supported on your platform.
    As far as I understand it, TrueCrypt developers decided to end support. Given that Win8 and Win10 have built in encryption, it makes sense to migrate to native encryption.

    To answer your question though, I don't know if the issue is Win10 only. The screen shot on the TrueCrypt page looks like a Win8 screen shot. For all intents and purposes the base of Win10 was Win8 update 2 (Windows 9??? oh wait they called it Windows 10), but has changed since the initial release.

    Download:
    WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure

    You should download TrueCrypt only if you are migrating data encrypted by TrueCrypt.

    TrueCrypt 7.2 sig key
    I guess that tells me that version 7.2 is the version you want if you plan on migrating (or plan continued use).

    There was a lot of press on the True Crypt announcement - It still works, they just don't plan on continued support.

    It appears now though that some folks are keeping it alive, albeit with a new name and new licensing.
    TrueCrypt Getting a New Life

    TrueCrypt will stay alive, thanks to devotees who are forking the encryption program's code. 'Cleaned up' code will get a new name, CipherShed, and a different open source license.
    By Paul Rubens | Posted September 18, 2014

    When the developers of TrueCrypt delivered the bombshell that they were abandoning their popular open source encryption program, it left many organizations in a hugely difficult position. Should they continue to use it, or heed the developers' advice that it was no longer secure and switch to another encryption product?

    On the face of it, the decision should be an easy one: If the developers of something as security sensitive as an encryption program say that their program is no longer secure, surely it would be rash not to heed the warning.

    But with TrueCrypt, nothing is quite as simple as it seems.
    .....
    Keep Using TrueCrypt?

    So should organizations that have been using TrueCrypt stop using it, as its authors advise?

    Mario de Boer, a Gartner security analyst, believes they should - eventually. "Unsupported software eventually leads to issues. However, I don't think there is a reason to rush. At this moment there is no reason to assume there is a major security issue. I also assume that if the audit reveals a flaw, it will be solvable and someone will fix it," said de Boer, who noted he had not yet seen the results of the cryptographic code review.

    An obvious solution is for another group of developers with suitable cryptography expertise to fork the TrueCrypt code and continue to maintain and develop it, but it's an option that the original authors are against. One of the authors said in an email: "I don't feel that forking truecrypt (sic) would be a good idea, a complete rewrite was something we wanted to do for a while. I believe that starting from scratch wouldn't require much more work than actually learning and understanding all of truecrypt's current codebase. I have no problem with the source code being used as reference."
    That's about all I know about it - I'd migrate if I used TrueCrypt
    disclaimer: I don't use any type of encryption on my drives
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  3.    06 Jan 2015 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post


    Hi dj,

    Take a look at the TrueCrypt page:
    WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues

    This page exists only to help migrate existing data encrypted by TrueCrypt.

    The development of TrueCrypt was ended in 5/2014 after Microsoft terminated support of Windows XP. Windows 8/7/Vista and later offer integrated support for encrypted disks and virtual disk images. Such integrated support is also available on other platforms (click here for more information). You should migrate any data encrypted by TrueCrypt to encrypted disks or virtual disk images supported on your platform.
    As far as I understand it, TrueCrypt developers decided to end support. Given that Win8 and Win10 have built in encryption, it makes sense to migrate to native encryption.

    To answer your question though, I don't know if the issue is Win10 only. The screen shot on the TrueCrypt page looks like a Win8 screen shot. For all intents and purposes the base of Win10 was Win8 update 2 (Windows 9??? oh wait they called it Windows 10), but has changed since the initial release.

    Download:
    WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure

    You should download TrueCrypt only if you are migrating data encrypted by TrueCrypt.

    TrueCrypt 7.2 sig key
    I guess that tells me that version 7.2 is the version you want if you plan on migrating (or plan continued use).

    There was a lot of press on the True Crypt announcement - It still works, they just don't plan on continued support.

    It appears now though that some folks are keeping it alive, albeit with a new name and new licensing.
    TrueCrypt Getting a New Life

    TrueCrypt will stay alive, thanks to devotees who are forking the encryption program's code. 'Cleaned up' code will get a new name, CipherShed, and a different open source license.
    By Paul Rubens | Posted September 18, 2014

    When the developers of TrueCrypt delivered the bombshell that they were abandoning their popular open source encryption program, it left many organizations in a hugely difficult position. Should they continue to use it, or heed the developers' advice that it was no longer secure and switch to another encryption product?

    On the face of it, the decision should be an easy one: If the developers of something as security sensitive as an encryption program say that their program is no longer secure, surely it would be rash not to heed the warning.

    But with TrueCrypt, nothing is quite as simple as it seems.
    .....
    Keep Using TrueCrypt?

    So should organizations that have been using TrueCrypt stop using it, as its authors advise?

    Mario de Boer, a Gartner security analyst, believes they should - eventually. "Unsupported software eventually leads to issues. However, I don't think there is a reason to rush. At this moment there is no reason to assume there is a major security issue. I also assume that if the audit reveals a flaw, it will be solvable and someone will fix it," said de Boer, who noted he had not yet seen the results of the cryptographic code review.

    An obvious solution is for another group of developers with suitable cryptography expertise to fork the TrueCrypt code and continue to maintain and develop it, but it's an option that the original authors are against. One of the authors said in an email: "I don't feel that forking truecrypt (sic) would be a good idea, a complete rewrite was something we wanted to do for a while. I believe that starting from scratch wouldn't require much more work than actually learning and understanding all of truecrypt's current codebase. I have no problem with the source code being used as reference."
    That's about all I know about it - I'd migrate if I used TrueCrypt
    disclaimer: I don't use any type of encryption on my drives
    Thanks a million Slartybart, I appreciate the info. What encryption software would you recommend that has the same functionality as TrueCrypt? Encrypting drives and creating hidden operating systems etc???
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  4.    06 Jan 2015 #4
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    As I mentioned in my disclaimer, I don't use any type of drive encryption, so I'm not qualified to recommend any alternative.

    I'll defer to what the folks at TrueCrypt say: use the Windows integrated Bitlocker
    They give detailed instructions on how to migrate on the link I posted, but here it is again to make it easier:
    TrueCrypt

    The only thing I would emphasize is the reference to TrueCrypt version 7.2 at the bottom of their page.
    It seems to me as though they are recommending that version for the migration to Bitlocker.
    But I'm not sure and really have to leave any decisions and research up to you.
    I wish I knew more about TrueCrpyt so that I could provide more definitive answers, but alas I do not.

    I'll see if another member will jump in with some suggestions or provide definite answers for you.

    Bill
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  5.    07 Jan 2015 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejager183 View Post
    Hi, can anyone please let me know if it is possible to create a True Crypt Encrypted OS when using a SSD and a Sata HDD installed. When creating the 2 OS with one encrypted on just one HDD that is partitioned it works perfectly, but as soon as I add an SSD with one OS it wont work...am I just overlooking something ? I am not sure if this is only on Win 10 or all other Windows versions also the case.
    It was absolutely possible up to Windows 7, the last version TrueCrypt officially supported. Of course, the TrueCrypt project was suddenly abandoned in May, and they gave instructions on moving to BitLocker. I wholeheartedly recommend you follow that suggestion, and I explained why in detail in a couple of messages here:

    TeraByte Unlimited

    The first message is concerned with imaging, while the second is more concerned with general advantages of BitLocker over TrueCrypt. The only reasons to prefer TrueCrypt are portability, read-only mounting, and plausible deniability, but you sacrifice so much on Windows for those capabilities that it is not remotely worth it. BitLocker is far superior to TrueCrypt if you don't care about those things.
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  6.    07 Jan 2015 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    As I mentioned in my disclaimer, I don't use any type of drive encryption, so I'm not qualified to recommend any alternative.

    I'll defer to what the folks at TrueCrypt say: use the Windows integrated Bitlocker
    They give detailed instructions on how to migrate on the link I posted, but here it is again to make it easier:
    TrueCrypt

    The only thing I would emphasize is the reference to TrueCrypt version 7.2 at the bottom of their page.
    It seems to me as though they are recommending that version for the migration to Bitlocker.
    But I'm not sure and really have to leave any decisions and research up to you.
    I wish I knew more about TrueCrpyt so that I could provide more definitive answers, but alas I do not.

    I'll see if another member will jump in with some suggestions or provide definite answers for you.

    Bill
    .
    Thank you for the response and reply.
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  7.    07 Jan 2015 #7
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    As highlighted above, Truecrypt.org ended very abruptly some time ago without any full explanation as to why however it has been picked up by some developers in Switzerland and their site can be found here - https://truecrypt.ch/

    With regards to your question it may be worth posting it on their support forum here https://forum.truecrypt.ch/

    Cheers,
    Jamie
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  8.    07 Jan 2015 #8
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    You're welcome DJ,

    I guess you have to ask the question Can I still use TrueCrypt until the TCnext folks patch the security holes, or should I migrate to something else?

    Jamie pointed you to the TCnext forum and they might have better answers. Those answers might be weighted towards keeping TrueCrypt and migrating to TCnext CipherShiled when the audit is complete and new development begins - but that's just a guess too.

    I was hoping a TenForums member who uses or had used TrueCrypt would pop in and offer their advice. They still might, so keep checking your thread. From what I've read, there isn't any urgency to migrate because the security holes have been there for a while, the TrueCrypt developers simply decided not to continue patching the software. I hope that eases any concerns of yours that might have been raised when I alerted you to the status of TrueCrypt.

    Since this is a Windows 10 forum, your question might have been academic in preparation for when Win10 is released to the public. Still, you had a basis for asking the question, so continue planning for a migration.

    Bitlocker seems to be the logical choice, it's free, it's available on (Win7-Ultimate & Enterprise only), Win8 and Win10, and it's supported.

    Bill
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  9.    07 Jan 2015 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejager183 View Post
    What encryption software would you recommend that has the same functionality as TrueCrypt? Encrypting drives and creating hidden operating systems etc???
    Bitlocker will encrypt drives no problem. For example:
    BitLocker - Turn On or Off for OS Drive in Windows 8
    BitLocker - Turn On for Removable Data Drives in Windows 8

    You could try this method to make an encrypted container How to Create an Encrypted Container File With BitLocker on Windows

    Not sure about creating hidden operating systems - you can't really hide them. You can encrypt them so the contents are unknowable (so you wouldn't know it was an OS) but that 10GB of space on disk will still be taken and can be seen one way or another. At the most basic you could make a partition, not assign it a drive letter and encrypt that but you would still see it in disk management or via another OS - you just couldn't tell what it was.
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  10.    07 Jan 2015 #10
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    Here's something on SevenForums.com that might help
    For TrueCrypt Users. - Windows 7 Help Forums

    There are some alternatives offered, but remember Bitlocker wasn't available on Win7 unless you were running Ultimate or Enterprise, so the choices over there focus more on other open source software. Worth a read, but ... I'll keep saying "Why not use BitLocker" now that it is included with all versions of Win8 and presumably Win10.
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