O&O ShutUp10++ Alternatives?

OtherWay1982 · 19 Sep 2023

Trying to also disable windows 10 up-date. I noticed whenever I fully update to the last version of Win 10 my internet slows to a crawl and I have network issues. The only solution (that I know) was to restore windows to a backup copy from 2018.
That worked. (Files were saved to a different hard drive and unplugged before proceeding with that).

So I need a tool to disable some stuff. And also need a way to prevent updates.

What do you think of Wu10Man?

Ghot · 19 Sep 2023

OtherWay1982 said:

Trying to also disable windows 10 up-date. I noticed whenever I fully update to the last version of Win 10 my internet slows to a crawl and I have network issues. The only solution was to restore windows to a backup copy from 2018.
That works perfectly.

So I need a tool to disable some stuff. And also need a way to prevent updates.

What do you think of Wu10Man?

Enable or Disable Windows Update Automatic Updates in Windows 10

Personally, I use Option 7.

User2468 · 20 Sep 2023

Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools - gHacks Tech News

FreeBooter · 21 Sep 2023

You can use an app like DoNotSpy11 which is able to disable many of the features that are responsible for user data collection.

3Bit · 21 Sep 2023

A friendly warning! Careful with any such type of apps and settings.

Many meddle around in local policy and security settings, registry and elsewhere!
You can maneuver yourself unbeknownst into situations where something suddenly does not work anymore or act/behaves strangely or not runs at all.
And nobody has a clue. (other than the notorious "we have no clue" crude reinstall Windows recommendation).
Speaking from experience!

Here is a recent example (one of many):
Client has Nuance Dragon Professional Speaking. Suddenly one day it stopped working.
Apparently a known issue for over a decade and one who claims he can fix it wants $175 up front.
Yeah right! Thank you very much!
The OEM Nuance goes even further and is in flat denial but does not hesitate to sell you a newer version or upgrade.

What happened was:
The app suddenly started to crash during the "initialization" phase and produced (like so often typical in Windows) completely irrelevant error, Event ID message. (All other Windows file integrity checks and tests were negative)
In his case, the executable "Event ID 1000, natspeak.exe crashed in msvcr110.dll"

Faulting application name: natspeak.exe, version: 15.61.200.10, time stamp: 0x5f9f2ab1
Faulting module name: MSVCR110.dll, version: 11.0.51106.1, time stamp: 0x5098858e
Exception code: 0xc0000409
Fault offset: 0x000a326c
Faulting process id: 0x3c9c
Faulting application start time: 0x01d9c177f2044bfe
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\Program\natspeak.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\Program\MSVCR110.dll
Report Id: 958db4c3-58ea-42a6-91dc-b070fc4b45e9
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

You think that is the truth and nothing but the truth of the cause? Crock of BS.

Lots of time was spent looking in all the wrong places, including many nonsense recommendations in other forums including knowbrainer.com The biggest misleading messages, just about any and all Windows ones, from BSDD 0XC00000.... To event IDs proved to be utterly misleading as well. Pure engineer "think" nonsense.

Oddity was that the app despite his uninstall, OEM cleanup and reinstall attempt refused to work but as it turns out worked in any other account on the same machine no matter under which account installed! only in his main account it stopped to work.

Eventually I found out that my client had played around with some "Windows anti-spy" privacy apps. i.e. shutup and the like.
So I went and did a full local policies and security reset and rebooted.

Guess what?
The Nuance app worked fine again!
Over time I came to realize that most Windows problems and odd behaviors come down to the holy Grail of the OS: the vast often cryptic and not easy to find/searchable policies and security settings! (a bit overdone if you ask me and far too much integrated. A "lego style" modular approach to build what you want and need would have been much better in my opinion.

By now I've solved strange quirks and dysfunctionality I encountered with other apps, network connectivity issues etc. by going over to the Windows 10 Holy Grail!

A nice somewhat affirmative side effect I noticed is that the vast majority of [also often misleading] Event IDs engineering crap have also disappeared and the report level now is mostly "information" and perhaps occasionally a benign "warning" triangle here and there. Extremely rarely an Error msg.

So, much caution is advised when using these apps as you can end up in in the Kabuki* Theater mystery land one day!

*my nickname for the Windows OS

PS I strongly recommend but certainly in no defense, to read up on Microsoft Windows Compliancy Disclosure . this company will certainly not set themselves up for privacy violations with their 1500 lawyer team!

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F22 Simpilot said:

Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools - gHacks Tech News

Well if you look at ghacks.net disclosure as to who they link, resell, regurgitate everything and all the others you have an answer to another problem! Fortunately so it appears through the disclosure, you can disable all. ( let's hope that's true)

FreeBooter · 21 Sep 2023

These apps won't modify system files, it will enable or disable system settings so i don't know how "Event ID 1000, natspeak.exe crashed in msvcr110.dll" have to do with system settings nothing at all.

3Bit · 21 Sep 2023

FreeBooter said:

These apps won't modify system files, it will enable or disable system settings so i don't know how "Event ID 1000, natspeak.exe crashed in msvcr110.dll" have to do with system settings nothing at all.

I didn't say it "modifies" apps.
What it does is it modifies apps functionality and access to communicate within the virtual environment of Windows 10 OS as much is security and safety obsessed. think of it "wearing the wrong badge going into the FBI building or Fort Knox".

As for the event ID that's with Windows reports but it has nothing to do with either the EXE or the DLL.
It is the communication and interaction path[s] between the two that are obstructed by some security (enabled or disabled) setting[s].
The event ID error message is typical engineer think and speak as one file cannot read or write or communicate with the other.
neither of the files are damaged or modified. It is simply just some obtuse security setting[s].

I can list you many other such event ID or BSoD messages that are utterly completely misleading to the reader.
For example such as "ntoskrnl.exe is missing or damaged" - error code 0XC0008004 none of which is true!
(in this case it was a single number in the BCD file subsequently referring to the wrong partition!)

Or for "kicks and giggles": "the application or operating system couldn't be loaded because the required file is missing or damaged" - winload. EFI - error code 0XC0000001 contact your administrator or PC/device manufacturer...

(in this case it was again a single number in the BCD file subsequently referring to the wrong volume!)

And so on and so forth....

It reminds me back then when I was a kid of that TV repair man that came to repair our TV and spend much time testing components, measuring values etc. turning the TV set on and off. but it never occurred to him until the bitter sweet embarrassment at the end that the TV wasn't plugged in!
DUH!

FreeBooter · 21 Sep 2023

3Bit said:

I didn't say it "modifies" apps.
What it does is it modifies apps functionality and access to communicate within the virtual environment of Windows 10 OS as much is security and safety obsessed. think of it "wearing the wrong badge going into the FBI building or Fort Knox".

It only modifies settings for privacy that what is allowed by Microsoft how can be modifying settings for privacy can affect error message you provided.

3Bit · 21 Sep 2023

FreeBooter said:

It only modifies settings for privacy that what is allowed by Microsoft how can be modifying settings for privacy can affect error message you provided.

Again you seem to misconstrue what I wrote.
Keep on arguing and lecturing if it makes you happy!

I speak from personal encounters and experience.
There are many settings that have an effect on interoperability.

I'm just saying that from experience and many hours wasted, many error messages have no direct relevancy to the actual cause as indicated. The message apparently refers, as in this example that one file could not call/communicate with the DLL or vice versa and thus the EXE could not continue to process and crashed or froze. (nowadays not so much anymore, you''ll just get an error message)

Just take a deep look into the security settings of any given single file's group and permissions settings.
Change any and a few, throw in some policy and other security settings mods and sprinkle all with a little registry modifications and you can royally screw up a computer starting to create messages when you try to do something, this or that, which specifically have nothing to do with it.

Free for your Entertainment
Example: Although off-topic, an actually famous hilarious anecdotal true story you might even find on the Internet. It illustrates my point with error codes quite well!

A friend of mine once upon a time had a BMW that would suffer from fuel starvation under higher loads.
The problem emerging especially on a less than half-full or less tank.
Stop the car, wait a little and start again and it drove fine until your accelerated hard or went up a hill.

The onboard ECU threw all sorts of error codes like Christmas tree ornaments.
The BMW authorized service technicians replaced all sorts of parts.
The problem persisted.

Until one day a technician did a longer test drive and noticed a "thunk" sound. Shortly thereafter the problem started.
He checked out the car and eventually found that the fuel tank had partially collapsed inward. Hmmm...
He continued to drive again until the problem started and then got out of the car and quickly opened the oddly hard to open filler cap. It made a huge sucking sound!
Ah Ha! Testing the tank ventilation system he eventually found out what the true and real cause was.
It emerged into a good anecdotal joke!

In the tank vent pipe a spider had crawled in, that's what spiders do, hiding in little crevices.
That reduced the ventilation air flow to the tank. As the fuel pump pumped gradually the gas out of the tank this likely sucked the spider in further in the vent tube.
Eventually so tight that the poor itsy-bitsy little spider eventually blocked the tube with its abdomen. Any potential silk the spider had spun probably added to all as well.

Engine running, fuel leaving the tank volume not replaced with air, the tank gradually collapsing inward and eventually the point was reached where the fuel pump could not overcome the fuel tank low-pressure resistance and pump enough fuel out of the tank!

You see, the ECU had an (engineer and technical) "correct" answers for the problem: from inefficient fuel pump to inefficient pressure, to inefficient volume to too lean mixture to all sorts of other problems. All of which are encoded in the electronic control environment and sensors reading correct as a subsequent condition developed because a spider had blocked the vent pipe to the tank!

You see how far in this example the error messages are from the actual problem?
That's what I mean with Windows messages!
Nevermind what that guy had to pay to service his BMW...! when all that was needed was to blow out with compressed air the tank vent hose....!

I can bring you an age-old classic: boot any computer and hold any random key [other than bios access] down. You will get an "F1 keyboard error" with the hilarious message "Press any key to continue".
Is it really so? The keyboard is working fine!
The true condition is the key is in this case permanently pressed down thus the keyboard does not pass the ready and clear!
therefore the boot process is halted.

HELP! My computer won't boot!

I'm sure you can find plenty of such cries here!

FreeBooter · 21 Sep 2023

I'm not arguing, i'm just wondering why you think you know better than us without good solid proof you write many long post which makes no sense.