Want to control battery charging

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  1. Posts : 427
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    Want to control battery charging


    I'd like to be able to stop my battery in my laptop from charging past a certain point, like maybe 60 or 70%. I've heard that this can extend the life of the battery. I currently do this by taking the battery out when it gets to that point. However, my house has been having a few power outages lately, and that messes up my computer when I have it in Sleep mode with the battery out. I'd like to just leave it in for that reason.

    I have a Dell laptop.
    Device name DESKTOP-T1U7VSKProcessor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4030U CPU @ 1.90GHz 1.90 GHzInstalled RAM 6.00 GBDevice ID 9D87531D-5A83-414A-BB2A-A9943F9E995DProduct ID 00325-80409-88884-AAOEMSystem type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processorPen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points

    I've already downloaded and tried using Dell Power Manager Lite. It looks it has what I need, but it doesn't seem to do anything. The instructions say that it only charges during specified usage times. But no matter what I set the active use times for, the battery continues charging. So, is there any other program I could use?

    Edition Windows 10 HomeVersion 20H2Installed on ‎9/‎25/‎2020OS build 19042.1110Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3530.0
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  2. Posts : 4,187
    Windows 11 Pro, 22H2
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    The only way to stop charging at a certain point is if the BIOS supports it. I had a Dell laptop some years ago that had built-in support to customize the charge behavior in a number of ways and it's something I wish all manufacturers would do.

    Bottom line is that if the BIOS doesn't support it, it's not something a piece of software can override. You need the underlying BIOS support to allow software to interface with it.

    EDIT: One more thought - If you do want to remove your battery but still have protection against power outages, consider connecting the laptop to a small UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply).
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  3. Posts : 427
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    hsehestedt said:
    The only way to stop charging at a certain point is if the BIOS supports it. I had a Dell laptop some years ago that had built-in support to customize the charge behavior in a number of ways and it's something I wish all manufacturers would do.

    Bottom line is that if the BIOS doesn't support it, it's not something a piece of software can override. You need the underlying BIOS support to allow software to interface with it.

    EDIT: One more thought - If you do want to remove your battery but still have protection against power outages, consider connecting the laptop to a small UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply).
    It sounded like Dell Power Manager Lite was made to accomplish what I was hoping for, and is from the same company that made my laptop, so it's compatible.
    I just now took a couple screenshots to show what's happening. One shows that the battery is charging, and the other shows that I have the setting for today (Sunday) to end charging at 5pm. So what gives?
    Want to control battery charging-screenshot-66-.pngWant to control battery charging-screenshot-67-.png
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  4. Posts : 16,911
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    I would not want to encourage you to spend too long on this because there is no publicly available test data that supports the idea that partial charges extend the life of a battery.

    In fact, Dell tech support has recently published a video saying the exact opposite. Dell Tech Support produced this short video about batteries & charging. Whilst they were addressing Dell customers, Dell never makes any claims about possessing unique battery technology so their statements can be regarded as being fairly generally applicable.
    Facts about your Laptop Battery - Dell Community
    I thought the most interesting facts were:-
    - That leaving the computer plugged in after the battery was fully charged has no detrimental effect on battery run-time or overall battery life
    - Charging the battery to 100% whenever possible has no detrimental effect on overall battery life
    - Charging the battery to 100% even if it has only been partially used [as opposed to always using every drop it has left in it before charging] has no detrimental effect on overall battery life

    My own experience matches what Dell now says. My laptop batteries have always been fully charged whenever power was available and now, after six or seven years, they can still charge up to 80% of the original charge capacity. My younger batteries seem to be following the same pattern.

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  5. Posts : 427
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    Try3 said:
    I would not want to encourage you to spend too long on this because there is no publicly available test data that supports the idea that partial charges extend the life of a battery.

    In fact, Dell tech support has recently published a video saying the exact opposite. Dell Tech Support produced this short video about batteries & charging. Whilst they were addressing Dell customers, Dell never makes any claims about possessing unique battery technology so their statements can be regarded as being fairly generally applicable.
    Facts about your Laptop Battery - Dell Community
    I thought the most interesting facts were:-
    - That leaving the computer plugged in after the battery was fully charged has no detrimental effect on battery run-time or overall battery life
    - Charging the battery to 100% whenever possible has no detrimental effect on overall battery life
    - Charging the battery to 100% even if it has only been partially used [as opposed to always using every drop it has left in it before charging] has no detrimental effect on overall battery life

    My own experience matches what Dell now says. My laptop batteries have always been fully charged whenever power was available and now, after six or seven years, they can still charge up to 80% of the original charge capacity. My younger batteries seem to be following the same pattern.

    Denis
    I bought this laptop 5 years ago, so the way batteries are made now might not be the same technology as they used to be. I just thought it would be safe to be on the conservative side.
    As for my Dell Power Manager Lite program--am I even using it correctly? It looks simple enough. If I could make sure to set it right, I'd be able to do what I'm trying to do. I just don't understand why my battery keeps charging even after I set the settings to make it stop.
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  6. Posts : 16,911
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    Older versions of Dell Power manager lite had a different interface so perhaps Dell have deliberately withdrawn some functionality.
    Want to control battery charging-power-manager-lite-main-ui-clean.png Want to control battery charging-power-manager-lite-change-setting-uui-custom.png

    Clicking on that Change setting button in the left-hand diagram opened up the right-hand one.

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  7. Posts : 427
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    Try3 said:
    Older versions of Dell Power manager lite had a different interface so perhaps Dell have deliberately withdrawn some functionality.
    Want to control battery charging-power-manager-lite-main-ui-clean.png Want to control battery charging-power-manager-lite-change-setting-uui-custom.png

    Clicking on that Change setting button in the left-hand diagram opened up the right-hand one.

    Denis
    Yours looks different from mine. I guess yours is the newer one, and it shows in your pictures that you have version 1.0.7, while mine is 1.0.2 with a release date of 2015. So I went to Dell's site to get what they have, and it shows that what they're currently offering is still the version I have. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en...driverid=33rnp

    How did you get a newer version?
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  8. Posts : 16,911
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    Delly10 said:
    As for my Dell Power Manager Lite program--am I even using it correctly? It looks simple enough. If I could make sure to set it right, I'd be able to do what I'm trying to do. I just don't understand why my battery keeps charging even after I set the settings to make it stop.
    If you read the Power manager help page on Advanced charge, you'll see that its effects are not straightforward and are very difficult to comprehend.
    Dell Power manager lite Help said:
    Advanced Charge is an optional feature that prolongs the usable life of a system’s batteries by charging them to full capacity only once per day (prior to the Start of Day set when enabling Advanced Charge). For the remainder of the day, Advanced Charge keeps batteries in a lower charge state that is better for storage, even when the system is plugged into a direct power source.


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  9. Posts : 427
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    Try3 said:
    If you read the Power manager help page on Advanced charge, you'll see that its effects are not straightforward and are very difficult to comprehend.




    Denis
    Yeah, I had a little trouble figuring that out at first, but figured that it meant by "lower charge state" that it reduces how far up it charges the rest of the day.

    But what you posted pictures of looks a lot better and more straighforward. The second picture clearly shows being able to set a percentage of battery level where it is to stop charging. That's what I'm looking to have. I'd download it, but Dell's site is still showing that it offers the same version as I have, which is an older version. How did you get yours?

    You have version 1.0.7 while all I can find is 1.0.2. Where were you able to get 1.0.7? That's what I'd like to get.
    Last edited by Delly10; 01 Aug 2021 at 21:15.
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  10. Posts : 16,911
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    Mine is what my computer came with five years ago. I have never found a download link for it [there isn't one in my Drivers & downloads section]. A general search on the Dell website indicates that the name Power manager lite is re-used for different tools for different models [there is no common pattern to their version numbers so I do not believe they are the same tool despite the name]

    I don't think your Power manager lite can set a % charge. The Advanced charging you are working with does not have that capability.

    I do not think that your efforts are going to achieve anything tangible anyway.

    Denis
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