I am having a sinking feeling.


  1. Posts : 91
    windows 11 64 bit h22
       #1

    I am having a sinking feeling.


    I have many pdf files. Many NTSB Reports. All my bills that I have paid online over the last few years.
    Microsoft Edge Browser can read the files. But does it continue to save the file on my local hard drive or is it making a copy through One Drive?

    I was almost at the tipping point of downloading the "free" Adobe DC Reader. But the DC part gave me pause. I have since learned that DC means Document Cloud. I have tried to find out if that means that the only way I can access the file is through an online application and then the document gets uploaded to "to Adobe Drive". I don't trust online applications there are two many security breaches. So at this point it looks like my old fashion way of paying bills is gone and I will now be forced to use the bill pay option through the bank. What a load of moose caca!
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  2. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
       #2

    If you open a .pdf on your local storage in Edge it will just be displayed. If you choose "save as" in Edge you can save a copy of the viewed .pdf to your local storage. At this point there is no "cloud" interaction under normal conditions. The "cloud" only comes into play if you save a .pdf to a location on your local storage that is synced to a "cloud" service you have set up.
    And remember the cloud is just someone else's hard drives.
    As for paying your bills, I'm not sure where that enters the equation.
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  3. Posts : 91
    windows 11 64 bit h22
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Re: sinking feeling


    When I paid a bill the saved pdf file would have my confirmation number on it. So if there was a dispute about me paying a bill I would have a hard copy to prove that I had paid the bill. So can I still save bills paid as a pdf document even though I have no physical copy of an adobe pdf reader? And will the pdf file still be saved to my local machine not One Drive. I do not have a physical printer hooked up to my computer so that is why I have saving bills paid this way.

    I understand what cloud storage is. The devils playground. I have resisted so far. Do not trust much in the way of things beyond my ability to touch.
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  4. Posts : 317
    Windows 10 Home 22H2
       #4

    If you'd like to stay away from clouds, Edge, Acrobat, why don't you just use LibreOffice Draw - the whole package is free, with look and feel like Microsoft Office? You would open pdfs, some basic operations but not everything since it's not a dedicated pdf editor. Anyway, if you just view, merge and export pdfs, that should satisfy you. Have a look, please at the screenshot.

    Home | LibreOffice - Free Office Suite - Based on OpenOffice - Compatible with Microsoft

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  5. Posts : 2,487
    Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
       #5

    If you use Bill Pay from your bank or broker, you should be able to save (and print) a document showing the amount paid, date paid, to whom paid, etc.

    That document can certainly be saved locally, no cloud at all.

    If disputed, your creditors may or may not be pacified by that document, but they also may not be pacified by your PDF or anything less than a cancelled check.........which you didn't use.

    I'm not clear on why you are using OneDrive or "the cloud" at all if you have security concerns.
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  6. Posts : 5,899
    Win 11 Pro (x64) 22H2
       #6

    jcloversX said:
    I have many pdf files. Many NTSB Reports. All my bills that I have paid online over the last few years.
    Microsoft Edge Browser can read the files. But does it continue to save the file on my local hard drive or is it making a copy through One Drive?

    I was almost at the tipping point of downloading the "free" Adobe DC Reader. But the DC part gave me pause. I have since learned that DC means Document Cloud. I have tried to find out if that means that the only way I can access the file is through an online application and then the document gets uploaded to "to Adobe Drive". I don't trust online applications there are two many security breaches. So at this point it looks like my old fashion way of paying bills is gone and I will now be forced to use the bill pay option through the bank. What a load of moose caca!
    I use Adobe Acrobat 2017 (long time Acrobat user) and print (via Microsoft print to PDF) a copy of all my receipts. I keep the folder in OneDrive so that I can access those files anywhere at anytime, including from my Android device.

    Anyway, Acrobat 2017 is the non-cloud version of Adobe DC. The new non-cloud version is Acrobat 2021.

    As for fear of online applications or "cloud"..... in the world today, if you fear being hacked that much, you'd might consider totally disconnect from the world. That is use no electronic devices and use no credit card scanners of any kind. Truth is, you don't have to use online services to be hacked. Simply having a vendor swipe your credit card could get your information exposed. Living life in fear is not living.

    At any rate, if you want to continue to use Adobe Acrobat, but without subscription.... there's Acrobat 2017 or 2021. BTW, the free Adobe Acrobat "Reader" DC does NOT require an Adobe account, so no cloud services.

    Good luck.
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  7. Posts : 2,068
    Windows 10 Pro
       #7

    The document cloud part is completely optional. So you can continue to do the things you have been doing the same way.

    As far as security of the cloud goes, one drive is encrypted at rest and encrypted in transit. Onedrive also has a personal vault part that is secured via bitlocker and needs your permission via a 2factor authenticator app as well as a fingerprint. That's likely safer than its stored at your home.
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  8. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
       #8

    Just to add, you can print any document to a .pdf file on your local storage using the built in Windows Pdf printer, just choose print to pdf in the printer dialogue options, you can then print a hard copy at a later date if you wish.
    As well as Libre Office, Open Office etc, the GIMP is also free and can open, save and edit pdfs, worth a look, it is also a feature rich image manipulation app.
    I understand now how pdfs are linked to your banking.
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  9. Posts : 56,822
    Multi-boot Windows 10/11 - RTM, RP, Beta, and Insider
       #9

    Any decent browser can open, view, print any pdf. I pay my bills almost exactly the way you do, never use the bank option. I may have it auto debited from my bank, but that's the only connection. I also use the print to pdf and/or save to pdf option all day for various purposes. None of this goes to a cloud anywhere. It could, and I do have a folder of Archived data including PDFs on One Drive.

    You can print virtually anything to a pdf. Try this page you are reading. CTRL-P, Print to pdf, say where, done!
    Last edited by f14tomcat; 21 Feb 2021 at 09:17.
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