Windows 10: Samsung Magician

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  1.    08 Apr 2018 #1

    Samsung Magician


    slicendice said: View Post
    But double check this setting that this new Windows version does indeed only TRIM. One never knows what MS has been able to break again. I will check this also, once I'm back on my computer. :)
    Actually, that is not entirely true - it does a partial defrag now and then to keep the NTFS file system in good shape.
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       08 Apr 2018 #2

    cereberus said: View Post
    Actually, that is not entirely true - it does a partial defrag now and then to keep the NTFS file system in good shape.
    Oh! Has not done this for me even when doing the defrag manually.
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  3.    08 Apr 2018 #3

    slicendice said: View Post
    Oh! Has not done this for me even when doing the defrag manually.
    I think it just does it but never tells you. As I understand it, it does not defrag in the classic sense of moving data around, but cleans up the NTFS file system that gets fragmented over time.

    There is the legendary Hanselman post that way overhyped this, and reality is mere mortals probably never get anywhere near the limit of NTFS file fragmentation to require NTFS defragmentation, but it seems Windows does it anyway. I am guessing MS do this to ensure a problem never arises (and to avoid any criticism?).
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       08 Apr 2018 #4

    slicendice said: View Post
    Oh! Has not done this for me even when doing the defrag manually.
    I just tested Defrag for SSD on 2 devices. Either the possible other processes we talked about are so fast that I could not see what else was going on or it only did a single TRIM command. Exactly as it should be. :)
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  5.    08 Apr 2018 #5

    Hi,

    Josey Wales said: View Post
    I use Samsung Magician to optimize , it seems to be working.
    SM uses Windows "Optimize" under the hood actually.

    Cheers,
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       08 Apr 2018 #6

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,



    SM uses Windows "Optimize" under the hood actually.

    Cheers,
    LOL, so then it's only useful for firmware upgrades. HAHAH!
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       08 Apr 2018 #7

    slicendice said: View Post
    I just tested Defrag for SSD on 2 devices. Either the possible other processes we talked about are so fast that I could not see what else was going on or it only did a single TRIM command. Exactly as it should be. :)
    I did it too. It did a bit of scanning then a TRIM command flashed up.
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  8.    08 Apr 2018 #8

    slicendice said: View Post
    I just tested Defrag for SSD on 2 devices. Either the possible other processes we talked about are so fast that I could not see what else was going on or it only did a single TRIM command. Exactly as it should be. :)
    The point is that it does an ssd ntfs file system defrag frequently enough that you can never detect it ever being done.

    The real and complete story - Does Windows defragment your SSD? - Scott Hanselman
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       08 Apr 2018 #9

    Josey Wales said: View Post
    I just used Samsung Magician to Optimize my drive and get the same results. Seems that I can do without this app.
    Yes, it seems it's only good for keeping firmware up to date (which is good though).


    HAHAH! On my 750GB spinner, my MFT is 15.58GB and contains 16341503 records. It only contains 31415 files. THAT is a lot of records and space used. I guess it's because it's a compressed drive. :)
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  10.    08 Apr 2018 #10

    slicendice said: View Post
    Yes, it seems it's only good for keeping firmware up to date (which is good though).


    HAHAH! On my 750GB spinner, my MFT is 15.58GB and contains 16341503 records. It only contains 31415 files. THAT is a lot of records and space used. I guess it's because it's a compressed drive. :)
    I just remove Magician . Now I will not have to fool with it every time there is a CU. I always have had to remove it or the update would fail.
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