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  1. slicendice's Avatar
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       10 Apr 2018 #91

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,



    M2 drives can be either SATA or NVMe. If SATA then I don't see why SM wouldn't work with that as that is what their documentation on SM says it does.

    Cheers,
    Exactly, M.2 is just the type of connector. SATA or NVMe is the transfer protocol, which are similar but has astronomical differences in IO speeds, thus making the faster NVMe useless to cache in RAM while the slower SATA benefits from this a lot.
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  2.    10 Apr 2018 #92

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,M2 drives can be either SATA or NVMe. If SATA then I don't see why SM wouldn't work with that as that is what their documentation on SM says it does.Cheers,
    That was exactly what I was saying. I've not seen an example of a SATA m.2 drive working with rapid mode. Have you? I'm not saying it won't. But Samsung tech's did tell me it didn't. However, we all know they often have uneducated guys on their phones from time to time. So I am truly interested in someone giving me a concrete example contradicting what they've said.
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  3.    10 Apr 2018 #93

    Hi,

    I've not seen an example of a SATA m.2 drive working with rapid mode. Have you?
    Regardless of whether or not I do have some drives like that, I've listed those that ought to work with SM.
    I can garantee you they do work in Rapid mode.
    And that's in SM's documentation as I stated right from the start.

    But Samsung tech's did tell me it didn't.
    SM does not support NVMe but all commercially available Samsung SATA drives should support Rapid Mode, whether these are mounted on a M2 support, a 2.5'' casing or msata is totally irrelevant.





    Cheers,
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       10 Apr 2018 #94

    slicendice said: View Post
    LOL, so then it's only useful for firmware upgrades. HAHAH!
    yes and Samsung had a bad firmware release not long ago, so I'm not using that part either.
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       10 Apr 2018 #95

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,



    Regardless of whether or not I do have some drives like that, I've listed those that ought to work with SM.
    I can garantee you they do work in Rapid mode.
    And that's in SM's documentation as I stated right from the start.



    SM does not support NVMe but all commercially available Samsung SATA drives should support Rapid Mode, whether these are mounted on a M2 support, a 2.5'' casing or msata is totally irrelevant.





    Cheers,
    SM does support NVME, NVME does not support Rapid Mode, my 960 pro does everything my 850 pro does in SM except Rapid Mode, Rapid Mode is useless for anything except benchmarks it basically creates a RAM Drive which runs out real quick transferring large files.
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  6.    10 Apr 2018 #96

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,Regardless of whether or not I do have some drives like that, I've listed those that ought to work with SM. I can garantee you they do work in Rapid mode.And that's in SM's documentation as I stated right from the start.SM does not support NVMe but all commercially available Samsung SATA drives should support Rapid Mode, whether these are mounted on a M2 support, a 2.5'' casing or msata is totally irrelevant.Cheers,
    Not to be contrary, but for arguments sake, you can't guarantee anything you don't have or haven't used. There have been tons of write ups from companies saying their products will do this and that, and they didn't do either. I'm not saying they won't, and again, I didn't say I believed what they said. I only said that this was what they told me. All I know is my Samsung m.2 sata drive is blazingly fast, even without rapid mode. And my 2.5" Samsung 840 is much faster with rapid mode. And we all know the 960 is a beast! So it all works out in my system.
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  7.    11 Apr 2018 #97

    Hi,

    SM does support NVME, NVME does not support Rapid Mode
    Correct, sorry for not being more precise.

    Not to be contrary, but for arguments sake, you can't guarantee anything you don't have or haven't used.
    Actually I do have a few of these drives. I didn't want to mention it because I wanted people to understand why the supporting media format is of no importance.

    Cheers,
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  8.    12 Apr 2018 #98

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,Correct, sorry for not being more precise.Actually I do have a few of these drives. I didn't want to mention it because I wanted people to understand why the supporting media format is of no imporance.Cheers,
    So you are saying that you have these drives in place, and they're using rapid mode? If so, that was what I asked like five pages ago. Lol! But glad to have it confirmed. I rarely listen to these guys on support lines anyway, as they are normally just warm bodies these days... But on the other hand, until confirmed, I don't necessarily buy in either.
    Last edited by smactilactus; 12 Apr 2018 at 13:57.
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  9.    12 Apr 2018 #99

    Hi,

    So you are saying that you have these drives in place, and they're using rapid mode?
    Two 850 EVO's are currently used in 2.5" Asmedia RAID enclosure but yes, I tested them for Rapid Mode a while ago.

    Cheers,
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       12 Apr 2018 #100

    slicendice said: View Post
    I just tested Defrag for SSD on 2 devices. Either the possible other processes we talked about are so fast that I could not see what else was going on or it only did a single TRIM command. Exactly as it should be. :)
    and garbage collection controlled by the firmware goes on in the background while the SSD is Idle, this is why we used to have to over-provision to make space for this. nowadays the extra space is built in so we don't require over provisioning any longer.

    More on Rapid mode Should I enable Rapid Mode on my new 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD? Solved - Windows 10 Forums
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